Before Pennington got hurt, he was headed to NFL stardom...he was quickly becoming one of the top QB's in the league. If Matt Leinart can play at that level then sign me up.
Again...from that statement I assume youve never seen him play. His arm strength is not in question here, he threw plenty of bombs at USC. People assume to the extreme. Lets say someone goes to a draft site that describes Leinart as having a decent arm, but not the strongest in the league. People thus assume, since it isnt the best, it must be the worst. His arm strength is on par with Manning's and Brady's, and Brady has done fine in these "meadowland winds". His arm strength is not in question, and his mobility CERTAINLY is not in question. Just because he isnt Donovan McNabb dosent mean hes Drew Bledsoe either. He has plenty of mobility, certainly enough to escape the rush and buy himself some time.
The difference is, Leinart's throwing motion will make it hard for him to develop velocity in his passes. Brady started out with a good motion for enabling himself to improve his arm strength. I'm not sure how you can say his arm strength is "on par" with Manning (I assume you mean Peyton), because he has a very strong arm. So while his "arm strength" (the ability for him to throw the ball deep) may not be in question, the velocity behind his passes, and the ability for him to increase it at the NFL level is definitely something that will be questioned.
Hmmm...well I can understand the concern some people might have, but thats just being picky. While Im no scout nor QB coach, Im sure his throwing motion will be evaluated, and corrected, if they see concern with it. I dont though, I think its barely noticeable. Its nothing comprable to Young's throwing motion, where a complete overhaul of his mechanics are needed. Just a slight adjustment, if any. And I certainly dont think its something that should be held against him to drop his stock. And yes, Peyton Manning is no John Elway either. His arm is good, not great. A bit overrated.
The real question you are asking yourself is do you want a player that can make the top ten plays of sportcenter(Leinart) or do you want another abraham who will probably be just as good or better
I don't think it should make his stock plummet, he's still a good QB prospect. I'm just not sure if I would want to invest $20M+ in him.
I do not like Leinart at all. Personally I would pick Vernon Davis, but it I had to choose between the two Williams will be a better NFL player.
Yes, primarily, but physically-dominating DEs in the 3-4 can gain penetration while not blowing their gap assignments, and take an enormous amount of pressure off the LBs on their respective sides. Have you ever noticed how cleanly blitzers come in on Seymour's side for the Patriots? Hell, Ellis had 8 1/2 sacks as a rookie 3-4 DE. This is a no-brainer for me. We have an undersize MLB/ILB defensive leader who will need some monsters in front to take the heat. Williams and Ellis paired in 3-4 would be an excellent tandem, IMO. Another solution would be Hawk, who would add immediate speed and size to our pass rush, where we basically have none with the exit of Abe. I am looking at this from a defensive stance at the moment, but they could go to either side of the ball and I wouldn't mind.
Simply put, hes one of the best QB prospects to come along in a while, bar none. Hes the type of player you build a franchise around. I would take him in a snap, minor flaws and all. Surround him with talent and he will flourish, and the Jets will go far
I would stay with Williams. We take a QB later. I'm not that high on Leinart to take him even if he dropped. We have Pennington and Ramsey. I'm willing to bring up a guy like Jacobs or Whitehurst into the system and rebuild the defense as well, which is looking quite good after this pick..if i may add.
Over the last 5 QB classes (including this one), I personally rank him behind Palmer and Roethlisberger (maybe Rivers). I'm not saying that he isn't a very good QB prospect, I guess I just have more doubts about him than you do.
well i had rivers ranked higher than all the guys in the past 3 or 4 years, for some reason i really liked him.
Hey I never diagreed. The primary pass rush comes from the backers, but that dosent mean that if the 3 dlinemen penetrate they should just fall on their stomach and allow the LBs to make the play. My original comment was a response to a poster who said we should draft Williams to replace the pass rush we lost with Abraham. I just wanted to make sure that the concept of a 34 linemen was clear, that their primary resp is to hold their gaps, not penetrate, and that we shouldnt necessarily be looking to replace Abraham with a pass rusher Im a bit torn on Hawk. I posted a thread some time ago concerning our LB corps. In it was discussed 3-4 theory and how our players fit in to the system. Hawk can play any position in a 43, but his fit in a 34 is an ILB. As it is, were stocked at ILB at the moment with Vilma, Barton, hobson, and Kassell. Unless you believe Hawk can be a sack monster at OLB (hes good, but not great), he would be playing out of position, and wasting his talent (and thus, a pick)
You really can't go wrong eithere way, but the point about getting such a highg pick again iswell taken. For that reason, Leinert by default.
Fair enough. Coming out of college, as a college prospect, I rank him on the same level as Palmer, and above Roethlisberger. As a pro prospect, I think he falls somewher between the two.
I dont think Leinart is gonna go far in the NFL unless he keeps his head out of the nightclubs & is really concintrating on being an elete QB in the future
As much as I don't like Leinart as a prospective Jets QB, I'd say he'd have to be our pick. Of course, I don't believe there's any way that he's available at #4. There is no chance that Tennessee would pass on him for Young. Aside from that, I'm beginning to think that it's not out of the realm of possibility that the Saints pick Leinart at #2, in an attempt to pull off what Pittsburgh failed to do with us years ago. Pittsburgh, knowing we wanted Plaxico, was trying to trade down with us and we refused. They drafted him before we had the chance to, and then tried to force our hand into a trade. It would not surprise me if the Saints pick Leinart and then auction him off to the highest bidder. Even if they only manage to get a 2nd day pick out of the Jets or Titans, they'd still benefit from such a dirty, yet smart move.
I'm sorry... which two QB's are you referring to? Penny sucks and will always be hurt - we gave him his LAST CHANCE last year and he couldn't get it done. Hey I love the guy too, make him the QB coach or something... Ramsey lost his job to the old Brunell... enough said. Don't tell me this bullshit about the wrong system - I'll want to choke you.... Bollinger - UGH!!!
