Look, I think it comes down to QB position. From the start I thought getting Favre was ill conceived for the Jets. We are paying Favre 12 Million for what. He is an over the hill QB. We don’t even know if he is coming back next year. If he does, don’t expect anything better than we saw this year. We have a 39+ guy who has some good games. He’s not a guy at his age who can sustain a full season plus additional games in the playoffs. I know from personal experience that I was not the same man at 40 as I was at 27- 29. I just did not have the same stamina. Our team is loaded with 1st round draft choices. We have spent over 140 million dollars in the free market. If you look at the last two games we look pathetic. There is no sustainable offense and the defense is equally pathetic. I think it’s time to start pointing the finger to the coaching staff. We have no pass rush. The passing game is awful. The run defense is atrocious. In spite of having a large offensive (average weight 310 per man) line we can move the ball in crucial situations: remember the goal line stand in the New England game; two short yardage situations in the San Francisco game. The OL is average at best at pass blocking. The QB often times is forced to take a three step drop to avoid the rush. Did you see the long incomplete passes yesterday? My grandson can just fling the ball down the field. Don’t let me forget that we will be giving up a second round draft choice next year for Favre. I just don’t think the team is moving in the right direction. We are spending too much money on the wrong positions. WE NEED A NEW YOUNG QB LIKE IN THE MOLD OF MATT RYAN OR JOE FLACCO There is a lot of work that has to be done with this team and it should start now. GET A NEW COACHING STAFF TODAY!!!!!!!!!!! :shit:
Two weeks ago we beat the Patriots and the Titans and the coaching staff was brilliant. Now we need to fire them.
Look it's consistency we need. Are you guys really satisfied with the progress of the team? I'm not!!!
I've hated Bob Sutton since the offseason....so two weeks ago is moot to me. But after seeing how the Jets have played the last 2 weeks...with first place on the line...yeah, it's time for a change, IMO.
We need improvment in all facets of the game. :sad: Anyone who knows the game would not have thought the coaching staff was briliant. One did hope that they would improve. It seems that we are taking giant steps backward. I bet you could do equally as well if you were the coach.
I am not in the new HC mind set yet; I think you extend Mangini's contract. Ouch....did I say that. The only reason is that I really do not feel like waiting another 3 or 4 years for someone else to re-build this team to make a SB run. I am not crazy about Sutton or even Shotty at times, though.
The run defense is atrocious? The O line is average at best? The passsing game sucks? Matt Ryan? Joe Flacco? Alright man, I know you're angry about the loss but for fucks sake the run D is the strength of this team and large part of their current record. The O line has done a pretty solid job so .....it's no easy task to keep a guy that stretches plays, safe. Yeah I know, he's somewhat mobile but that line still does a pretty damn good job. The passing game doesn't suck. It's just not a bombs away O that everyone expected to come with Favre. You're talking about 2 QBs who "could" be good NFL QBs. Year 1 never tells the truth. Years 2 and 3 are the ones that tell the whole story. So...what I'm really trying to say is take an Xanex and kick the dog or something.
I'm pretty sure any fan for any team would like a "young Qb in he mold of Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco." I agree Favre has shown his age more than ever before, but he brings a ton of other things with him. His presence in the huddle and his heart for the game effects everyone on the team, and that will be sorely missed when he's gone. He has also probably helps Clemens and Ratty out a lot too with all his experience. On that note, I would like to see the Jets get one more young QB in the off season and if Favre chooses not to return, and have an QB camp battle for the job. Our team has proved it can win with a good efficient QB, as seen when Favre has had good games.
So you think I really want to start over again! We have 4 new people on the offensive side of the ball and 3 on the defensive side. We spent over 140 million to improve. Do you think we are 140 million dollars improved? There is something wrong in Florham Park. The only thing we have not addressed is the coaching. Defense looks awful. The offense is from hunger. The only good aspect is special teams. If we don't make some changes and hold people accountable we may be 5 or 6 years before we see some consistent winning years.
Look I personally like Favre. He is a HALL OF FAMER without question. The Jets need someone who is getting game time experience. IMO Favre is hindering our opportunity to find the QB of the future.:sad:
It's easy to say we should have just drafted Ryan or Flacco in hindsight or just pick up whichever QB is highest rated in next year's draft, but I believe that people are forgetting that 1st round QB draft prospects are FAR from a sure bet. Ryan and Flacco happen to be having historically good rookie years. That's more the exception than the rule with young QB's. I'm just saying it's not so easy as to say "we just need to get a young QB - like Matt Ryan".
If only we hadn't been clinging to the hope that Clemens was going to develop. Ryan was probably not an option but Flacco sure would have been nice. Of course his strong arm would have been wasted in this Offense.
When it comes to young QBs for me, I would rather they wait in the wing and learn as much as possible off the field and develop his game until he can get a legitimate chance to successfully run the team. I don't think Clemens is there yet, and I am losing confidence in him. Ratty, the guy I'm rooting for, is just a rook and is probably learning as much as he can from the CS and Favre off the field and throwing him in there would just kill his psych. If Favre chooses to come back next year, I think the Jets will be happy to welcome him back. But all these guys should be thinking in the back of their heads that next year the QB position is an open job.
The refusal to rebuild and go for a shot for Farve to catch Lightning in a botte could set this team back for years. We end up 8-8 and Mangini might not make it back next year and then the whole team will be redone yet again with no Qb to design the offense after because it will take a year to see what we have.
Its easy to say we should always pass on drafting a top young QB prospect because there's a stud pass rusher we can get or stud DT we can get or Stud LT we can get that's much less likely to bust. Of course you can't build a SB team around those guys but its safe.
It would be much worse for Mangini to return in that scenario because 4-12 is where we'd wind up again with Favre no longer in the picture and a bunch of 30-34 year old starters starting to decline also. The Jets are like a broken record. They keep skipping back to the the chorus that you've learned to hate because you hear it over and over again and they never get to the best parts.
It's all about coaching, guys. Look at Miami... they didn't make any major offseason acquisitions and are 8-5. Mangina is simply not an NFL caliber coach.
