Jets Lack a True Number 1 WR

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  1. slimjasi

    slimjasi Well-Known Member

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    This is a very good summary of why Clowney isn't on the active roster
     
  2. kevmvp

    kevmvp Well-Known Member

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    What I meant is that they have good hands and dont drop passes. Neither one is really that good at getting jump balls that are not fade routes in the end zone.
     
  3. The Grim Revis

    The Grim Revis New Member

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    We should target Massaquoi or Derrick Williams

    Both are playmakers, especially Massaquoi.
     
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  4. uberchink

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    Ah i see. Well, that's what you want in your 2nd and 3rd WR's, not your first. oh well
     
  5. JETSFAN1290

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    Agreed 100% Favre has been struggling because of it.
     
  6. Joe Willie White Shoes

    Joe Willie White Shoes Well-Known Member

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    Yeah - that's what is separating the Jets from the top teams in the NFL this year, who all have #1 WRs (I still don't know what that term means).

    The Giants definitely have that all important #1 receiver - who is, umh, uhhh well let's move on to

    The Titans, the other one loss team with that WR that strikes fear in the heart of defenses - Justin Gage????

    Then there is Pittsburgh, who destroys defenses with , wait let me think - it'll come to me soon - uhh Ward and Holmes?????

    And the other 9-3 team - Tampa - has that monster of a receiver - Antonio Bryant as thier "#1".

    Having this #1 WR thing is the most overrated aspect of success in the NFL. Look at the teams above and you can tell right away why they win games - because they win the battles in the trenches. The OL and defensive front 7s are the keys to winning, not some flashy WR who touches the ball 6 times out of 130 plays in a game.

    The Jet WR corps is fine. Cotchery and Coles are both very good and Stuckey and Smith add impressive depth. The Jets didn't lose to Denver because of the passing game. They lost because the defense gave up tons of yards and because they failed to run against one of the league's worst run defenses.

    How many SB rings do Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, and Steve Smith have? Andre Johnson is, in my opinion, the best receiver in the NFL, but he hasn't ever been on a winning team. Why? No OL, no running game, no supporting cast.

    The Jets have improved markedly from last year's disaster because of improvements in the OL and DL. If the Jets are to take the next step, further improvements are needed on the DEFENSIVE side of the ball - particularly a pass rusher and secondary help. WR is down the list. Even if Coles is over the hill, Stuckey could step in and be a very capable starter.
     
  7. Mr. Papagiorgio

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    Well, there isn't much we can do now to help the defense out personel wise this season. Maybe Clowney falls on his face, but I'd like to see him given an opportunity. This week seems like a good game to try to fit him into some plays to see what he can do.
     
  8. DCanadian

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    They probably don't want to put Clowney in the game because they don't want Favre throwing bombs all that much. That's what I think. They wan't him only to make safe, high percentage throws. And it has worked of late. And every time he has gone deep it has been either an INT or an incomplete pass.

    However, I personally think they are at the point where teams know that they are only gonna throw quick passes, so defenses are playing too close to the line and our running game and passing game suffered because of it in the Broncos game. I would put Clowney in just to get some sort of a long passing game going in order to push the defense back a little.
     
  9. GeorgeCoztanza

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    It would be nice to have a gamebreaker, but I don't really see the receiving corps as needing an upgrade. I think it's better to have quality across the board at a given position than say what the Jets have in the secondary, two studs in Revis and Rhodes, and absolutely nothing behind them.
     
  10. Chrisp22

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    According to the Jets fans here we are by far the worst first place team in the NFL. I beg to differ.

    WR is fine.

    These guys are proven and scored 1000 yard seasons with Penny throwing the ball.

    I'll go to battle with em.
     
  11. GeorgeCoztanza

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    Excellent summary. I'll add that Keller's ability to split out wide means the team does not have to worry about Smith's and Wright's lack of offensive production.
     
  12. The Grim Revis

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    You make a good point here, but I have to disagree a little.

    Obviously, our #1 needs are ILB, S, and CB. Elam is meh, Lowery is alright, but not as a 2nd CB. Revis is a shutdown corner and Rhodes is a stud, so those are ok. A great ILB could really help our pass rush and coverage down the middle. It will take a load off of Pace as well. A Brandon Spikes/David Harris combo would be one of the best in the NFL.

    But, I believe we do need a playmaking reciever. It goes both ways with good teams. The Cowboys have TO, Panthers have Steve Smith, Broncos have Marshall, Indy has a few very good recievers, Arizona has that amazing combo. What I'm saying is that while there are teams like the Steelers and Titans who are built on defense, there are others that have cornerstone players as Wide-Outs.

    Our Offense in general is fine, but I think that if we want to become an elite offense, a great reciever is a necessity. What if Favre doesn't come back? If Ratliff/Clemens/Draftee has a big time Reciever with Cotchery and Keller, it will only help his development.

    I think that approaching next years draft, the Jets should pick up either Spikes, a top CB, or a QB who declares early (possibly Mark Sanchez), then a WR like Derrick Williams or Muhammad Massaquoi, and hope that a solid Safety falls to them in the 3rd round.
     
  13. uberchink

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    The Giants would not have won the super bowl last year without Plaxico Burress. He and Brandon Jacobs were their two most dangerous offensive players last year during the playoffs.

    Sure you don't need a super talented WR like that but it sure can help.
     
  14. Mr. Papagiorgio

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    Besides not having a deep threat, it would be nice if our WRs could break a tackle or two and take a short pass 50 or 60 yards to the house. I don't think I've seen a single play like that all year.
     
  15. RunLeonRun

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    The Jets can win without a true #1 receiver but it's not the biggest weakness. The Pats won super bowls with ZERO receivers as good as Cotchery and Coles. Then again they have Tom Brady but you know where I'm going with this.

    Next off-season the 2 primary things the Jets need to focus on are WR and CB. Anquan Boldin is a free agent. I'd love to get him but can we afford him? Do we draft a WR? Our 1st round pick is probably going to be in the 20's so can we get the no doubt about it #1 reciever like Calvin Johnson that far? Probably not.
     
  16. Joe Willie White Shoes

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    The Giants won last year mainly because of the pressure put on QBs, especially Brady, by the DL. They also have the best OL in football. Burress was hurt most of last year and was not a key reason for their SB season. The trenches win games, not some player that gets 5-6 touches a game.
     
  17. Joe Willie White Shoes

    Joe Willie White Shoes Well-Known Member

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    Cotchery has been among the league leaders in YAC for the past three years. That is not a problem.

    Let's be honest. Favre has not been able to complete the long ball this year. He just throws it up for grabs and gets picked off more often than he completes the long pass. Other than the Arizona game, the Jet passing offense looks no different than it did the last few years. The past few years, it was blamed on the QB, who seems to be doing just fine with a supposedly weak team in Miami. Now the blame goes to the WRs. I think the problem is the OC and the play calling. The Jets are either incredibly predictable or ridiculously crazy. They run when they should pass (wouldn't a pass on first down be a shocker) and pass when they should run (like on 3rd and 1 or inside the 10 yard line). Have we seen much play action this year even though the Jets have the top running back in the AFC. The play callling is just awful. And with all that, the Jets are one of the leading teams in the NFL in points scored, which speaks to their talent and the upgrade on the OL and their ability to run the ball and the field position and opportunities provided by the defense and special teams (Washington's returns). When the Jets lose the field position battle, they lose the game (the first Pats game, Oakland, and Denver).
     
  18. Kenny

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    Atleast for the most part the Jets recievers catch the ball very well which is taken for granted when you look at other teams.. Jets recievers are middle of the pack, but when you got a very strong run game and a very good tight end.. You will be fine
     
  19. DCanadian

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    Heck, it gets picked off more than it lands incomplete.
     
  20. Mr. Papagiorgio

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    Favre throws different types of deep balls. There is a difference between Favre throwing a jump ball and throwing a bomb to a streaking receiver. He purposely throws some jump balls. He had no issues hitting Jennings deep constantly last year and has thrown some nice ones this year. Favre takes chances, but I feel he would be more calculated with his chances if he had a true deep threat on this team. I do agree that the playcalling has sucked at times this year and is one of the main culprits when the offense struggles.
     

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