What is your definition of a bandwagon fan? I became a Jets fan this year because of Favre and I'll will watch every game win or lose, good season or bad season. I've been watching him for 16 years and am not about to stop now. Even if the Jets were 3-8 right now, I'd be watching every game and looking forward to every week. Yes, I am a bandwagon fan, but there's a difference between bandwagon fans and fairweather fans. I don't abandon my team in the bad years and only pull out the jerseys when they have a winning record. I now have two teams to root for Packers and Jets. Is there something wrong with that?
exactly. that throw and many other throws could be picked off if they were thrown poorly. but any team that wants to be a champion caliber team has to attempt throws like that and has to make them.
im not a big jersey person. but when we signed favre i ordered one online the next day. its the only jets jersey i own but i live and die for the jets every year. the owning of jerseys does not show your level of fanhood. just my two cents.
Hey, you know, some of us have been very polite, and very decent fans of the Jets this year: I find it odd that there has been such complaining. Sure, some of my fellow packer mates just wont leave NYJunc alone, but some people just never learn.
Strip away INTs for a moment, How did favre's performance against KC hurt the jets (he was 29/41-68%,290 and throws the TD to coles where only coles can catch it)? Jets were 55% on 3rd down conversions, and had 420 yards. Regarding INTs > Interception by Flowers for the KC TD was just a very good cover 2 cornerback play. He hits stuckey knocks him off the line making his slant route shallower and gets to the ball before anyone else can. On a slant Stuckey has to fight harder to get off the LOS get to where ball is going to be- CANNOT stop and become a spectator. > Page INT Interception, Favre is hit as throwing backside pressure and Cotchery is behind SS and FS. Good defensive effort on DL > INT 3, 1st Flowers INT resulting in KC FP points, Favre issue Point is - lots of things happen when INT occurs. last time I looked the other team gets paid too. Yet INT gets hung on QB. Look at box score and that is what you see. Look at replay you see Stuckey get blown off of LOS- great defensive play. Some are Favre's issues no doubt. Only problem I have with Favre v KC is if he was audibling away from running plays, he should n't have The Jets Back field could have dropped 200 yards on the Chiefs. From KC on, he is realizing he actually has got a good ground game that means less stress on him.
We needed a TD w/ a minute left to win. You can't strip away the INTs b/c those INts kept KC in the game. You are right, it's not always the QB's fault when he throws an INT but most of those INts in his bad stretch were as he threw into double-triple coveraage alot and threw the ball up for grabs alot. He has done a MUCH better job the last 4 weeks. I still expect INts from time to time but he can't go on one of those streaks again.
Having to listen to crap like "I'm not going to give you any respect now because of what I imagine you will do in the future" is pretty annoying. The Jets are an appealing football team, that part is easy to see carrying on with, but shit like this on this board is a real turn off, and I don't see how anyone would feel welcome if you keep dishing that crap at them. You're almost trying to create a self fulfilling prophecy here? Fortunately you seem to be in a (very vocla) minority in trying to do that, most everyone else here has seemed very welcoming, thank god. OK, I'm done, I've said my piece and now I'm gonna parachute back out of this one too.
Ooh I've been waiting for this! How in the world can he not "strip away INT's" to make his argument if you still maintain that you can rationally "remove the AZ game" to make your argument? It has to be one or the other. Without a doubt, you shouldn't remove the INT's or the AZ game. Both happened. Because if its the other way, I would like to strip away all playoff games where Favre has thrown 2 or more INT's and they lost and then revisit his ranking as all time great of this generation! We can ignore them because they are not the "norm" *sarcasm*
dont let a few knuckle heads get to you. i have enjoyed you and most of the other packer fans on this board. i think a lot of people have too. you all seem to be knowledgeable about football and not just blind favre lovers. i especially enjoy watching you and junc argue every week. it is a great source of entertainment for me lol.
We got the TD and won. The problem is to beat 2 or 3 top notch teams to get to or win a SB you need to make plays in less than ideal situations, weather, wind, cold, etc. and you are going to have to put balls into tight spots. Favre can do this, he has done this his whole career. He is still getting familiar with the WR and mistakes are being made. Clearly he has made some really bad decissions but clearly the chemistry is getting better and so is the decision making. I watched the Monday night game where Drew Bress was throwing balls all day long and I can see where people might argue that he is the best QB in the league right now. I also saw him in the playoffs in bad weather in Chicago look terrible. Does anyone believe if NO makes the playoffs and has to go to the Meadowlands in December that Bress will outplay Eli Manning? Or that Favre will outplay Pennington against a team like Pittsburgh where quick throws into tight spots are going to be the norm and a little fear of his ability to move the ball around and go deep might make a difference? Good QB's with big arms throw balls into tight spots and get INT. Favre has to play under more control and get a better understanding of our O. He has looked great the last few games. There is a real chemistry developing with the recievers and I suspect if we are going to do anything in the playoffs Favre is going to have to make some very tough throws into some very tough spots under less than ideal circumstances. The other thing we need to do to win a SB is our D is going to have to stone people when turnovers are made. That's what dominating teams do, they can throw the ball into tight spots and make plays and when it doesn't work out the D comes out and gets the ball back.
Those are different situations. You guys were claiming he was playing well when most of his production to that point came in garbage time against SD and the 1 game against Ari. This is removing plays from a game that he kept an inferior opponent in. I know you know the difference.
So what! Crappy QB's who play badly win games against bad teams all the time. We didn't get Favre to win those games. Agreed he may have caused us the Oakland game but it really was a team effort on many levels. We got Favre to win the kind of games we have won the last 3 weeks against good opponents on the road. We got Favre to make plays that we couldn't make against quality opponents. We got Favre because we may not be front running in games against quality opponents in the playoffs and may need a drive in crunch time when the wind is blowing and the QB is getting banged around and can't set his feet perfectly. This are the things you discount which is what seperates the mediocre from the top players in the NFL.
My definition of a bandwagon fan is someone who never followed a team before and all of a sudden because they are winning, jump on the wagon with new jerseys, new hats and the works. So based on the Jet's mediocre performance last year, the Favre/new Jet fans would not fall under that bandwagon tag. Who's to say what makes a fan? Who's to say I'm more of a fan than you? I think the general consensus is though that most of the Favre/new Jet fans will not be around once Favre leaves, which is fne. If anything, maybe it's turned some of the Green Bay fans onto a team that they otherwise would not watch.
The epitome of bandwagon, look up bandwagoner in the dictionary and a picture of Pats fans will surface. :martin: Brand new jerseys with the creases still in the sleeves. Go to a game and see Pat fans walking in with brand new Brady jerseys with the price tags still hanging on.
What you are talking about and what I was discussing w/ the other guys are totally different BUT all the things you said we got Favre for haven't come true. You said we didn't gte him to front run and beat bad teams well his only comeback has been against the awful Chiefs. The SD game we got down and never got back in the game so where has he been bringing us back when we have been behind? I'm not trying to take anything away from him as he's played excellent football for 3-4 weeks but according to yuor criteria he hasn't upgraded us.
