I still smile when I think that the jets got super-playmaker Leon Washington with the draft pick received for Herman Edwards. I would have GIVEN the chiefs that fourth round pick to TAKE Herm off our hands, just to get rid of his moronic clock management. Favre and company played great Thursday, but we wouldn't be close to 7-3 without Leon.
Chiefs fan here. He has done an outstanding job for you guys. How in the hell did you guys get us to give you a pick for this clown is beyond me. Hey I don't mean to highjack your thread, but as a n00b over here, I can't make my own thread, so instead of spamming.....one of a handful of guys that do support Herm was arguing that he is a GREAT talent evaluator and developer. Here is a list of the guys that he belirves are stand outs that Herm developed. Can you guys give me any insite to the players, and/or do you believe that Herm made them who they are. I could have swore that Coles or Cotchery was deep on the bench, with Herm not seeing their talent, and thought ther were others. Here is the list. Shaun Ellis John Abraham Chad Pennington Laveranues Coles Santana Moss LaMont Jordan Kareem McKenzie James Reed Bryan Thomas Jon McGraw Dewayne Robertson Brooks Bollinger Jonathan Vilma Jerricho Cotchery Adrian Jones Erik Coleman Derrick Ward Mike Nugent Kerry Rhodes Truly appreciate it, we have a fan or two of this site on Chiefspanet, and he is a great poster. Great win this week, nothing better then seeing the Pat's go down in their own house. The ol' number 4 is still a gamer!
You might have opened a can of worms here, as this could turn into another one of the I hate Herm-I love Herm things that occur regularly around here. I will try to stay as objective as possible here with a few reactions. Several of those players were drafted before Herm got here, so at least from that point of view he had nothing to do with them. Ellis was drafted in the first round the year before Herm came here; he had 8.5 sacks that year as a rookie, so it certainly took no skill to recognize his talent. Same story for John Abraham - he was also drafted in the first round that year, and had 4.5 sacks in only 6 games, so everyone knew about him. Herm certainly did keep playing them, of course. Pennington also was drafted in the first round that year (the Jets had 4 first round picks), but he didn't start until 2002 under Herm, and I'm sure he would give Herm a lot of credit for helping him in his career. Laveranues Coles also was drafted that year (third round), and his career took off in his second year, Herm's first year; on the other hand, Coles left the Jets as a free agent after his second year with Herm, before coming back. Moss was drafted in Herm's first year, but he only had one good year under Herm and was then sent packing, so I don't know how much credit Herm gets for him. Jordan was drafted in Herm's first year, but he hardly played in his 4 years under Herm (he averaged fewer than 6 carries per game each year), so I don't see how that goes with recognizing his talent (of course, Curtis Martin was here at the time). Herm completely buried Cotchery on the bench during his first 2 seasons (that was one of the biggest complaints about him here); when Herm left Cotchery suddenly became a 1000-yard receiver. Herm gets NO credit for him. Kerry Rhodes and Jonathan Vilma were both drafted when Herm was here, and both immediately made an impact, so Herm certainly recognized their abilities right away. Overall, I would say that Pennington, Rhodes, and Vilma would be clear marks on the plus side for Herm, Cotchery and Jordan would be clear marks on the minus side, and for a lot of the others it's hard to say one way or the other.
Good info, keep it coming guys. Cotchery is a fun guy to watch. He seems to allways get that extra yard.
this is a very fair assessment. i dont think your gonna get a better judgment than this one. if you get more responses some will be biased towards herm because a few around here love the guy. you will also get a lot of people who would lose a limb before giving any credit to herm for anything.
Shaun Ellis - He definitly didn't develop Ellis John Abraham - He sat out a PO game with a cold with Herm as coach Chad Pennington - ....Umm Herm if anything hindered Chads developement Laveranues Coles - Coles was a good player long before Herm Santana Moss - Moss didn't really break out until he left for Washington LaMont Jordan - Had the benefit of running in rotation with Curtis Martin Kareem McKenzie - Played with Mawae James Reed - What lol? Bryan Thomas - Bryan Thomas had one good year with Herm Jon McGraw - LOL Dewayne Robertson - LOL Brooks Bollinger - LOL Jonathan Vilma - He did have his best years under Herm I will give him that. Jerricho Cotchery - Broke out under Mangini Adrian Jones - LOL Erik Coleman - ... really? Derrick Ward - LOL Mike Nugent - Westhoff Kerry Rhodes - Donnie Henderson enough said... herm is garbage
I'd be surprised if anyone will support Herm after what he has done to the once proud KC franchise. But to be historically accurate, my recollection is that the vocal majority at the time, including myself, were very pissed to have gotten "only" a 4th rounder for him. Most believed that a 2nd rounder was called for given the price we had paid NE for Parcells. Would we have taken LW with a 2nd--probably not. I don't know if this is profound or a lesson can be learned or what. Its just great the way it worked out; for us, that is.
LOL! Herm walked into a team that had FOUR 1st round picks a year before his arrival + Coles (who was 1st rd talent if not for his off field incident and thrown under the bus by Bowden) Shaun Ellis - 1st rd pick by Parcells & Groh - already established stud John Abraham - 1st rd pick by Parcells & Groh - already established stud Chad Pennington - 1st rd pick by Parcells & Groh - finally got a shot when Vinny was looking BAD and hurt vs JAX Laveranues Coles - by Parcells & Groh - no brainer best WR on team Santana Moss - Thought so high of him that they brought in CURTIS CONWAY when Coles left LaMont Jordan - good pick, but under utilized as they gave too many carries to a good RB (just like LJ) Kareem McKenzie - shouldn't of let him walk, but I'd say that's Boobway's fault James Reed - heh? Bryan Thomas - (not worth a shit until Mangini made him an OLB) in the draft safety was a clear need, and Ed Reed was still on the board. YAY we get Bryan Thomas...but in next round we'll get: Jon McGraw - oops we missed Ed Reed, we'll get Jon GlassJaw McGraw. Made some plays, but usually running full speed and smashing the guy with his shoulder resulting in injury Dewayne Robertson: Another combine workout warrior. "Fatass with a butter knife". a reactionary draft pick when Josh Evans was to be suspended. He had some moments but 2 1st rd picks and a 4th?!?!?!?!?! Brooks Bollinger- little guy did well given the situation Jonathan Vilma - Played well from the get go. No disputing this guy. Jerricho Cotchery - BAH! let's let him sit on the bench. WTF?!?! Adrian Jones - ??? Erik Coleman - actually made some plays his rookie year then dissappeared Derrick Ward - great evalution of talent. The NYG's should send him a thankyou card Mike Nugent - SCAPEGOAT pick...... we would've been to the conference championship if we had a better kicker (or maybe not taking a freakin knee) let's trade our 1st round pick for a POS TE (is Jolley even in the NFL anymore) and 2nd rd pick to draft a KICKER. Bradway deserves some credit on this too. Kerry Rhodes- great pick. Have fun in KC! :shit:
Yeah, but Cowart was playing fairly well, and it was the beginning of Vilma's rookie season. Vilma just came in and played better.
