I've read threads where people have been like now that we signed Kassel we are not drafting Hawk or now that we signed Teague we won't draft Mangold or even worse now that we have Ramsey we will stay away from a QB in the first round. I would just like to point out that any good GM will go into the draft with every position filled with a starter calibur player and thats the right thing to do. The draft is a crapshoot. What happens if the Jets decide hey lets not sign a left tackle because were drafting D'brick in round one. Then the Saints take him at two and the Jets have no left tackle. Or say Bush falls to 4 but the Jets were planning on Mario Williams. Since they didn't have a starting end on the team they would be forced to draft him and pass up on Bush (would never happen but you get my point). The idea is you want to go into the draft with all your options open and that means filling the holes at each position beforehand. You can't count on a rookie to fill a position because too many times they are either busts or can't handle themselves well enough right off the bat. Depending on a rookie would be a good way to set your team up for failure. Yes there are a handful from each draft that can step in right away but that is more of an exception. Having a starting calibur player in that position will help you bring a rookie along at the right speed and only help his career get off to a smoother start.I really believe this is what the Jets are doing. All these signings have been relatively short deals which means on draft day we are in a position to draft BPA at each pick.
Yeah that's true. Teague and Kassel are not blockbusters. I don't think hawk was ever in the mix though, and Mangold probably still is because Teague is 31 and Mangold could play behind him for a year then take over at C, and we could move Teague or something... I think Mangini is happy with Kassel and expects him to assume an important role. Bringing him here from NE obviously means he liked him there and saw potential. He is pretty young so if Mangini is right I think we could have a Barton-esqe player in development.
While I like your points about the offensive line, and Ramsey, I still don't think we're going to take a first round linebacker unless it's Lawson. We have a very deep core, and I think the focus of the draft is now going to be on offense primarily.
I agree, the signing of a guy like Teague means the Jets don't HAVE TO take Mangold or Davin Joseph with #29 or #35. I would hardly be surprised if one of the 2 is a Jet despite the signing of Teauge.
i think that the signing of Teague does mean that we wont take Mangold. If we were going to take him, he would be an instant starter. I think that this move is giving time for Katnik & Missant to continue to improve and eventually take over
you really can't rule out Mangold yet because we'll need to address Center again in a year or two. the thing is, we don't yet know how the staff feels about Katnik; if they believe in him, then we'll pass on Mangold, and if not, then we should draft him. either way, they need to decide quickly because April 29th is rapidly approaching. cheers
By that logic, we won't draft Williams because we signed Kimo, or Hawk because we signed Kassel and Chatham, no QB because of Ramsey, no WR becuase of Dwight, or a DT because of Pope. These signings have been very similar. Short term contracts for vets. Many vets were let go, and with adding so many young players through the draft, it is neccessary to add depth (which the Jets have been lacking at most positions for years) The vets will be able to teach the youngins and hold the fort while the rookies develop. Other than Dyson, no one the front office signed have been so great that they are guaranteed a starting position, so really nothing has changed.
God I hope signing Teague doesn't mean that we won't address center in the draft. If Teague/Katnik is our longterm solution (read: past this season) then Tangini aren't quite are bright as advertised.
Stop it, your being to rational and making sense I was going to post something similar, but you beat me to it.
This pickup could mean that they dont like mangold at 29, They like 4 or 5 players better plus they dont like like him at 35. or Treague will start yr one then Mangold could be yr 2 starter remember treague wont be here in 2008 so they can draft anywhere can Katnik play guard? looking at history no, but they can try it out...
i understand the point you're trying to make, but it's not the same. Mario Williams is a very rare type of player and even if you have a good vet (like Kimo) already there, you can still justify taking a guy like Williams because of what he brings to the table. conversely, a Center isn't someone who's really going to change games the way Mario potentially can. Mangold may be an elite Center, but you can find elite Centers here and there. Landing players like Mario Williams is uncommon. Just think, Peppers went #2 overall and his play has warranted that pick. If Mario lives up to his hype, he'll be worth selecting at #4, even though we already have Kimo there. cheers cheers
I only saw his Sr stats he played C but if he played other postions I say this guy could be our swing guy. He wont be a tackle(way too small)
Enough with the Mario-crush people. I was not even talking about Williams directly, I was using it as an example. My point is just because you sign a vet for depth doesn't negate drafting a player at that position. In fact I was making the same point you did. That because we signed Kimo doesn't mean we won't sign Williams, or because we signed Dwight doesn't mean we wont' sign a WR. It is not the same because you are a fan and want the Jets to draft him. But from an objective point of view and using the logic of many on this board, we would not draft Williams because they filled the position with a vet. To say that just because we signed a vet to a short term contract the FO will not draft that position is silly. You say drafting Williams is justified but that is because you want him to be the pick. A Leinart fan will say the same thing, or a Brick fan. No matter the hype, or no matter how many times people call him a beast, Williams is still a rookie. Who knows if he is truly an "uncommon" player, or is a Peppers type. This has been said MANY times about MANY players, and they turned out to be busts. It is human nature to build up your favorites, which makes for interesting debates. I myself try to keep a level of objectivity about the draft, since more often than not the player you wanted does not live up to expectations. Sometimes I think if the player they want isn't drafted, like Williams, there is going to be mass Jets fan suicides across the nation. But like I said my post was not about Williams at all, I named other players we signed and other positsions as well. Once again though the hype machine keeps on chuggin', oye, and still another 16 days till the draft. God help us...:breakdance:
I think you are wrong on the Mangold point. We still might draft a center in the later rounds but there is no way we use the 29 or 35 at a center. The 3-4 means our linebackers are our most important position.
Dwalsh is correct, Katnik did play every position on the O-line in college. He is however (as you stated) way too small to be an NFL tackle. He's a young versatile guy with a seemingly good head on his shoulders. I really hope he pans out.
I can't see us spending a 1st rounder on someone that plays the same position as a guy we just signed as a FA who is going to be a starter. However, you are right, he did only sign a 2 yr deal.
