You are right you can't blame those guys falling down on Favre, but you can blame earlier situations that Favre was responsible for that put us in those spots.
As someone who endured Joe Namath in 1975, Richard Todd in 1983, and Vinny Testaverde in 2000, I can tell you that I am only upset to the point that his play is bringing the team down due to all the turnovers. I know he can play better, and I hope he does soon. But for now, I'm pretty pessimistic (the coaching is contributing to it, too).
You guys who think Pennington would have made that big of a difference are forgetting something. He represents no downfield threat and as other knowledgeable posters here have pointed out time and time again.....opposing defenses would stack the line and stop the run. Chad would be limited to short passes. You can't win by dink and dunk and no running game. Just plugging Chad in at QB is not as simple as X + Y = Z. Some of you need to get a freakin' grip on reality!
What you just said right there is the dumbest thing i think i have ever heard. who brought in chad? who brought in the new coach? who drafted a really good draft? No your right....Parcells is mediocre at best....
Pennington as a starter: GS TD INT 2002: 12 22 6 <----- Great Year, but still missed 4 games. 2003: 9 13 12 <----- Missed 7 games, 1 TD/INT ratio (just like Favre this year) 2004: 13 16 9 <----- Good year, but missed 3 games 2005: 2 2 3 <------ Hardly counts, didnt really play. 2006: 16 17 16 <------ Only complete season, still only 1 TD/INT. 2007: 9 10 9 <------ Only played half season, 1 TD/INT. 2008: 7 7 3 <------ Good TD/INT ratio, still only 1 TD/G. This track record speaks for itself. You can't blame him for getting injured but thats a part of football. You also can't argue that it is good for your QB to miss games. In his 6 years as a starter here, he missed 35 games. Thats 6 games a season! That KILLS your teams hopes of going anywhere. Even when he played the whole season, 17 TD's? Favre is definitely not playing as well as he can, but even so hes basically throwing 1TD/INT, just like Pennington did in 4 out of 6 seasons! I really fail to see how this makes the Jets chances worse? Doesn't it seem like its a wash at this point?!?! Even his record as a starter is 32-29, which again matches up pretty well with 4-3. Favre is playing bad for Favre, but what you end up with is your average Penny!
The Favre apologists are just as funny as the guys who had a vendetta against Pennington. The excuses never end.
The Jets haven't won a Super Bowl in 40 years. Only one in their history. "bandwagon fan". Many fans like myself have been rooting for the Jets for over 20 years and have yet to see any championship. But your right, as long as they squeak in the playoffs, and get promptly ejected, we should be happy. After all, it has only been 40 years.
no...what's funny is all the "chad love" on this board.... 1) The guy couldn't throw a paper airplane...let alone a football 2) he did fuck all here...so what if he got us to the playoffs...the credit could go to Curtis Martin or our Defense in that regard as well. I don't see any championships...do you guys??!! 3) He's more injury prone than Humpty Dumpty and 4) the GUY PLAYS FOR THE MIAMI DOLPHINS.... why can't people move on...it's the Favre era now (next year...we might have a different QB...then i'll support whoever that is..but for now..Favre is our guy) But no...we have people here that continue to hump Chad's leg like a Mississippi Leghound....it's fucking pathetic.
The screaming about Favre's tells me most people don't understand how he plays. This is who he is, get over it. Every "thrown punt" he throws, he will do the whole game winning drive thing. In spite of all the coaching bullshit, I'm calm when he throws the pick. I wasn't worried when Flowers took back the INT for a TD - Favre was getting the ball back. Hating on him because he isn't immaculate in the pocket is stupid.
gentlemen...allow me to introduce you to "The Voice of Reason". good work, ND....it's about time somebody read between the lines.
Thats also not counting two TD passes against oakland that by all accounts should of been caught but Cotch and the TE feel down. See, it works both ways.
I too, want to thank you. That is all I was really trying to say. I've been watching Favre do this exact same thing for 16 years in GB, and let me tell you, to get all panicking and worring over an int baffles me. When Favre threw the int for a pick 6, I was absolutely disgusted, with 3 minutes to go and the ball going right back in his hands, to hear him get booed. It's almost as if the fans didn't want Favre to score on the next drive to win the game. I've always, for the most part, been calm when he has thrown an int unless it was to end a game, naturally. Even still, he always does more then enough to make up for his mistakes. Are you all not watching his press conferences? He knows he can afford to turn it over 2 to 3 times a game expect to win, but he also said just because he threw a couple doesn't mean he gives up on the victory, as so mayn jets fans did after the pick 6. He is a very confident QB. It does suck at times with the stupid ints, but the intangibles he has to come back after throwing a stupid int, and then throw a pretty impressive GW TD pass... I mean that is what you get with #4. He is always going to try as hard as he can to win a game, and sometimes it makes him get jumpy. As for those wanting him to never throw it Deep in double coverage again: Yeah, that's not going to happen. 6 TD passes last year were deep balls in double Coverage, and Driver and Jennings simply wanted the ball more then the defenders. Say what you want, but he will take that shot. The WR is suppose to have the advantage of knowing where he is running. Obviously, he can't throw them all the time, and to be fair he hasn't. But he's never going to stop throwing it. It's how he plays. He gives players chances to make plays, and that TD pass at the end was another example of doing just that.
you are a true fan my friend, i am glad we have you here on the board to try and reason with most of these ignorant bitches.
I was a Favre fan before being a Jet fan. When I was a kid, in grade school, I knew nothing about football. I was a huge Patrick Ewing fan with the Knicks, and I loved baseball. Football was the last sport to learn... Then I watched my first NFL game.... Packers vs Pats, 1996. Super Bowl XXXI. I saw Brett Favre beat up on the Pats. I learned two things- Brett Favre is an amazing man, and the New England Patriots suck. I then became a Jet fan later on. (small stint as a pretend Giants fan due to family obligations... never really found a connection with that team.) I get it with Favre, because I've followed him for almost his entire career. The Flowers pick 6 made me smile--- Favre was getting the ball back. KC never had a shot. Not to mention Coles is a clutch WR and very underrated.
I'm impressed, NDmick. I confess it probably took me nearly two years of watching Favre's crazy schizo antics to get even close to this level of acceptance. You did it in 7 games I guess that's why I have such a hard time getting all this angst, I have to think way back to remember how it was for me. He's ALWAYS done this (although I do thing the downside is magnified a bit this year since he's playing with new players). Every time the Packers got a new WR you were pretty much guaranteed to watch Favre throw a pick or two or three or four in his direction, because Favre has expectations of what he'll do, and the guy will have to learn that Favre really is expecting him to do that, he is banking on it. Yet doing all that, the team he played for the previous 16 years had the #1 best winning percentage in football over the time he was with them. In the end, it just gets done.
Haha... good post Mick. I've been watching Favre for years on the side of the Jets and as I have said repeatedly, Favre is Favre. Few QBs can dig themselves 2 graves deep and still manage to come out right side up. Nevertheless, I wish he would play a bit smarter at times, but he is who he is and after years of playing ball his way - not much is going to change now.
A lot of posters here seem to think that Favre's interceptions stem from throwing it down the field. In fact, Favre is throwing shorter passes than Pennington this year (10 yards per completion v. 12.2). He's throwing shorter passes than just about everyone. Nor is this all the OCs fault. Despite his arm strength, Favre's thrown a high percentage of short passes his entire career, though it is a bit extreme this year.
