I'm not giving them a free pass, the coaching wasn't very good today but neither was the QB or the OL or the WRs & TEs. It was a bad efforts all around but to solely blame the CS doesn't give an accurate description of this game.
Here is something that we have to think about with regard to the scouting our coaching staff does: We opened the game in a spread formation and passed the ball something like 10 straight times. That means that the coaching staff must have scouted the Raiders defense to be susceptible to the pass and the Jets tried to take advantage of it to start the game. Instead, the passing game struggled and we were able to run the ball well. How did they get it so wrong? And they looked at how many hours of tape. Makes you think.
Im not saying the blame falls solely on the coaching staff. those 3 plays did contribute to the loss today, but what about all the other plays that straight up didnt work or werent called. Youre right, the run did work, so why didnt we capitalize on that success and call some play action. Favre is one of the best at it.
I watch it, record it, rewatch and rewind during the game so yeah. 1. Agree but they had decent Run blocking. 2. Agree but the Ray-duhs do have pretty good corners. 3. We've seen worse but he wasn't on his A game. 4. Disagree. Our Defense was Pretty solid and the Running game was on. 5. Agree Big Time. Then when he finally saw late in the game what we were seeing all game, he went to the well too often. IMO, it was the CS that was "not ready" today. They adjusted to everything way too late and continually look predictable.
Your points about this game are correct, however the reason people are calling for Mangini's head is not because of the Raiders game, or any other 1 game. It is the bigger picture of the fact that he limits this team's ability to win consistently. This coaching staff is a hindrance to this team, and over the long run it has shown with the repeated failures of this squad.
After the first drive, they should have run the ball and played "D" against the worst run defense in the NFL. It was a bad play calling day.
I count three losses. The Jets are 3-3 now. Up until this game, I said many times on this very board that Jets fans should hold off criticizing the coaching staff until after the bye week. They had a full week off to prepare the Jets for three games against three weak opponents. They just lost a game they could/should have won. I haven't given up on the season, but really, you now have to wonder about "The Mangenius" and whether he can really coach a team or not. Is this team better off than they were four seasons ago?
If we don't turn the ball over 3 times we win. Then everyone wouldn't say a word about the coaching staff. It's that simple.
just remember who the raiders had at Corner.....they are better than both teams at tha spot.....how Bress went 26 of 30 for 3 TDs last week is beyond me. Whatever....it is a tough loss.....if Baker doesn't fall, we win.....so shit happens.....
Here's how the coaching staff is responsible: 1. It shouldn't even have been 3rd down and goal for the Jets--how many times do we have to run it on 1st and 2nd in a tight formation inside the 10? After this, passing on 3rd down is obvious and hence, the probability of an INT goes up a lot. Coaches fault. Bad play calling--bad formation, throw the damn ball! You will get more than 13 points in a game by throwing! 2. Baker should not even be on the field--coaches faulty. Baker can't help that he sucks. Why put in a loser like him in such a critical situation? 3. They should not even have been in OT to begin with--coaches fault. Dumb offensive playcalling.
Nice try. 1) We're gashing them so powering the ball with the running game inside the ten is the right way to go. The pick didn't happen because he wasn't open. So you can't fault the play-design. 2) Baker was open. Whether or not he belongs on the field is your opinion. I don't think that the anti-Baker sentiment is like the anti-Eric Smith sentiment. 3)It's BECAUSE of the coach's playcalling and clock management AFTER Favre's pick that they even got the ball back with enough time to tie the game and make it to overtime. You need to do better than this.
1. Get a clue. If you are referring to the OL play in the 1st quarter, I will say this to you: The blame is squarely on the OC/HC. Not the players. Why? Did you look at how many blitz Raiders called in the 1st quarter? Favre had less than 1 seconds after the snap. a. Are you telling me a good WR can get open in that short time? HELLO? b. Did you honestly think 5 men up front could block 7-8 guys flying in? 2. They had fast secondary - we all knew it. No wonder Raiders tried to shut down the passing game first, eh? Again, the blame squarely falls on the shoulder of OC/HC. 3. They could have stuck to the running game early on, so that raiders cannot focus on Favre. That didn't happen, thanks to the genius you-know-who. 4. And whose job is it to get them ready? What is the weekly training for? 5. When he did it, he didn't even do it right. He's just a fucking moron.
I think the starting lineup changes the Raiders made this week had a bigger impact than anyone expected. Starting backups at safety and WR and telling the players that from now on playing time has to be earned really shook the team up. No one was expecting this, but the lightly regarded Cable surprised everyone with the lineup changes just like he surprised Mangini with the fake punt.
Just when I thought I'd never agree with you... This post makes a lot of sense. While I'm not willing to place as much blame on the coaches as many of you, that fake punt is something that I suppose has to come down to coaching on some level. With that aside, I think that we're missing the fact that the Raiders' DC (Ryan) is a very good coach and, look, we may all have no clue who Tom Cable was before now but we're presuming he's a stiff. He's already done one thing right and that was to make the players accountable. Kudos to them.
Slide Favre up to #1 on that list. B/c a QB gets sacked a few times doesn't mean it's all the OL, the Ol wasn't good at times but Favre got hit alot holding onto the ball too long. You note his horrible decisionb that cost us points(and the game) BUT he was awful all day. The only drive we scored on was b/c of Brad Smith and leon. He led our O w/ all the weapons we have to 10 pts in 5 wtrs against one of the worst D's in the NFL.
I have a clue thank you very much, at least enough to know that the loss cannot be solely put on the CS. It is a natural reaction from Jets fans when something goes wrong to start calling for the coaches head, no matter what. The OL was mostly bad throughout the game, Brett Favre was terrible throughout the game and there was not one single receiver that could get open. There were times that Favre did have enough time to throw and he either held onto the ball too long, there was noone open or he made a terrible decision. The CS definitely deserves their share of the blame, the team did not play with the kind of intensity they need to show up with every week but despite that if they get just a decent showing from the passing game they win the game easily. I have been as supportive of the Favre trade as anyone & I do believe no matter what happens the rest of the season that bringing him in was a great move but the guy needs to start playing better or this season is toast no matter what the coaches do.
