It's been a while but I think the Jets may have almost scraped this piece of debris off the hull. Florio is a turd, but part of me wants to believe him... http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/10/16/end-of-the-road-for-king-carl/ END OF THE ROAD FOR KING CARL? Posted by Mike Florio on October 16, 2008, 3:44 p.m. EDT Our buddy Jason Whitlock issued a call to arms in his latest FOXSports.com column, challenging a bunch of legitimate football writers (and, you know, me) to begin banging the drum for the ouster of G.M. Carl Peterson in Kansas City. If the gossip on the league grapevine means anything (and, lots of times, it doesn?t), it?s not necessary. There?s talk in league circles that Peterson will be ousted after the season. Potential candidates aren?t known, but we?re told that former Jets G.M. Terry Bradway is trying to position himself for the job. If that happens, it remains to be seen whether coach Herm Edwards would stick around. Edwards and Bradway had an odd relationship at times when both were in New York, with Edwards refusing to use some of the guys that Bradway had signed, possibly as a way to finagle more influence over the player-acquisition process. Bradway was demoted from the G.M. position in 2005, but then was later promoted to director of player personnel. He remains the top scout with the Jets, given that G.M. Mike Tannenbaum?s expertise is the salary cap and contracts.
Herm and Bradway back together?? HAHAHA A lot of "promising" draft picks being misused, and the good late round gem not being played because of the old guys who have "tenure" The chiefs can turn into the next Lions with this embarrassing tandem.... let it happen. Joey Clinkscales would get the promotion, and he is a talented guy. Let. This. Happen.
The guy did a very good job for us as GM and is a key guy in our scouting dep't for tannenbaum. I don't think it would be good for us if he left.
Who were these promising picks unused? and who were these late rd gems that didn't get a chance to play? You don't play guys for no reason, they earn PT which is why Gholston isn't playing much. The guys that deserved to play alot as rookies did(Vilma, Robertson, Rhodes, Coleman,...) and the guys that didn't deserve it didn't play. Those 2 helped us get to 3 postseasons in 4 years something we had NEVER done. Bradway also inherited a cap mess and we didn that as we also won only our 2nd ever AFC East Title. They retooled 3 times and made the postseason each time- that's am pretty good record.
There's this relatively new guy that Herm didn't use... you may or may not have heard of him... the name is Jerricho Cotchery.
Cotchery is a great example of someone who didn't get a chance to play. All Herm did was rave about the backup and never put him in. The Santana Moss's, the letting go of McKenzie, DRob trade, Bryan Thomas took 5 years to become a good player, Vilma was a victim of a regime change. The Doug Jolley Trade alone . The drafts have been better in the last 3 years with Bradway in a lesser role than they were from 2001-2005. The 03 draft is fucking atrocious. If I may nitpick, not one end of draft talent was found... yet this regime has Stuckey as their 7th round steal. I don't think Stuckey even gets to the #3 WR spot because Smith has "tenure" over him. The Regime did well with the players from the previous regime, thank Parcells. Bradway isn't a guy who I can be proud of as a GM.
Jerricho didn't play alot as a rookie as he was behind Moss, McCareins(who was very good then) and Chrebet. In year 2 Cotch played ALOT we just stunk. We played most of the season w/ a 4th string QB and couldn't throw the football. Moss was HURT his rookie year and missed most of the year, he was our #3 WR in yr 2. Mckenzie was overpaid, you don't pay a RT that type of money and Giant fans have been complaining about him since they got him. He gave up alot for Robertson BUT Josh Evans was getting suspended again and Robertson was excellent for us in '04. it's not his fault thye changed schemes. Bryan Thomas has developed into a good player though no matter how long it took. The Doug Jolley trade was a GREAT trade. We wanted Miller and Nugent heading into that draft(that evaluation is a different story), we traded down and still got both but picked up extra picks one of which led to drafting some guy named KERRY RHODES! The drafts under TB were MUCH better than under Parcells and '03 was one bad draft. Every Gm has a bad draft now and then. I guess Parcells has to thank Kotite & Steinberg for the players he inherited? In '01 it was mostly holdovers, they retooled in '02 b/c of the cap and had many new faces and won the div then they retooled again after '03 and made the postseason again. 3 trips w/ 3 different teams and 2 different QBs. That's pretty good.
cotchery was unused when everyone could see he was ready to be a starter. santana moss was never used correctly here. they also left a cap mess for the current regime to fix. the team that was left for mangini and tannenbaum was awful. almost forgot about the mess that was dwayne robertson and that crappy trade.
That's BS, he wasn't ready to be a starter yet. he was a rookie in '04 then pplayed alot as a 3rd WR in '05. He played more after Chrebet went down but he played alot. Just b/c a player turns out to be good doesn't mean they could start from day 1. Coles certainly wasn't ready as a rookie and neither was Cotch.
Santana was great here when healthy, how wasn't he used correctly? and the cap is in MUCH better shape than when they inheirted it. Remember if not for the '02 expansion draft we would have had to cut half the team and as ti was we were forced to lsoe Aaron Glenn and Ryan Young.
Edwards has even said that one of his biggest regrets was not playing Cotchery more when he was coach of the Jets.
look i remember watching cotch in preseason expecting him to be a starter. he hardly saw the field. i see we are ignoring the d-rob fiasco with both your posts thats cool. they may have done some good things in their time here, but they did more to hurt the franchise. bradway is a great scout and that is it. if he wants to stay here and scout for us that would be great. him as a gm is a fail.
Tanny has gotten more out of his 1st three drafts than Bradway's 5. Plus, when did Bradway ever replenish the OL? never. Tanny- two 10 year starters at the 2 important line positions with Brick and Mangold. Where is Br4way5ux when you need him?
I'm not going to re-type my take on how Bradway acquired the 1st rounders during his tenure, so I'll just copy and paste it:
Actually Kotite and Steinberg brought a lot of good players onboard, they just had no idea what to do with them after that.
The only guy they drafted in day one was McKenzie. The rest were terrible backups/spot starters. Only 6 OLmen were drafted in 5 drafts, none with the intention to start or take over for the incumbent... thats terrible. Herms shitty OL and hurt QBs has continued in KC... Croyle is now returning to the lineup, and Herm has played all three of his QBs this season.
Agreed. I think the combination of a mediocre GM and mediocre HC created the perfect storm of underachieving for the Herm/Bradway years.
How about DL? JAbe/Ellis, he inherited. His DT pick was, 'lo and behold, Dslob, of all busts. Jets never had a gap eater when Ferguson defected later. Shouldn't that count too?
