Now, Champ, the real decision (the only possible one actually) at No. six was, do you want this guy on our team? The answer was yes. Now the task is to get the most out of him. There was nobody "worth" a no. 6 pick in the eyes of the FO / CS. So, having made that decision, (which you can argue about til the cows come home but to no serious avail), the job at hand is to get the most out of him -- with whatever it takes to do that. That doesn't mean by game 4 either. It means during his contract when there's still time to do something about it if they're successful in bringing his excellence out for the NYJs. Now, Champ, you can argue about how they shuffled and dealt the cards, but we have a new hand now, and it's a long way past that April deal. Get over it.
D'Brick's strength was that he had elite pass protecting tools and technique. I don't think theres much connection to them beyond that they both need/will need time. Gholston is a much more talented player than Timmons. And the rest of your post simply needs time to be answered. I agree with your point...but I figured I'd nitpick your points for those internet shits and giggles.
I've thought the Jets should rent AD space on his back since I always seem to notice him standing, hands on his hips, on the outside of the play, giving the camera a perfect shot of his pristine jersey...he is like the inverse L.T. from the bizarro universe. They should put a negative sign in front of his 56.
some great replies thus far.. a lot of really good points about taking time to develop and good examples of players which were in his position before. I tend to agree that the game needs to slow down for him before we see him contributing.. but I will say this again: shouldn't we at least be seeing flashes of it? Maybe I'm just playing devil's advocate here, theres a lot of good reasons against the argument, but I guess I expected a more "polished" product. Taking time to develop and playing behind 2 very good starters and all that are well and good, but it does not explain to me why we have not seen a single bit of football fundamentals from the guy..
I have heard of stretches but yours is way, way out one when a bench warmer (VG) is actaully a contributor because he is making BT play harder. It really does not matter since we have to hope he turns into at least a OK player since that would be better then a total non contributor which up to now is what he is
Wow that award was given out by Mangini not the national press. Cmon U R not telling me you are happy to have a #6 draft pick as a total non contributor except for STs
He played OLB when Miami played the 34. He?s only playing DE in a 43. In the NFL the 34 simply demands a certain built. 34 DE - 6'4+ 300lbs +/- 10lbs 34 NT - 6'1+ 325+lbs the bigger, the heavier 34 OLB - 6'2+ 265lbs +/- 10lbs sub 4.8 speed
So now you want us to believe that the "National Press" is more in tune with the inner workings of this team than the actual coach? Have you ever read any publication's story outside of the NY Metro area? They are usually pitiful and full of inaccurate information. R U SeRREYus?
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80b4709f sounds like he?s talking about Gholston. And sounds like he wants to use the bye get the things moving in the right direction with him.
I find it very telling that despite all of your rhetoric you don't understand the differences between a 4-3 and a 3-4 defense that are explained weekly on this site. Furthermore, you draft for need in very few circumstances in the Top 10. One is when the player doesn't fit your system (e.g. Glenn Dorsey wouldn't make sense on the Jets) and another is when it is a QB (in my opinion). If you knew that Bryan Thomas was going to turn it around this season then you truly are the Penny-Stock-Swami you claim to be. To suggest the Jets didn't need a pass-rushing OLB at draft because they had Bryan Thomas is absurd.
I wanted Jonathan Stewart and Brandon Flowers. Anyone in the TGG chat room on draft day can verify this. Jonathan Stewart at the #6 spot would have seemed like a reach at the time but at this point would seem brilliant, as would the Brandon Flowers pick at Keller's slot. Our secondary would be a fixture of the franchise with Flowers and Lowery battling for the second spot and Revis locking down the first spot. Would we have the matchup breaking TE Dustin Keller? No. Would we have a great potential pass rusher for the future in Gholston? No. But we would have had Stewart/Washington as a running back combo which would have been obscene and as previously stated, our corner position would not only be the strongest on the team but the best set of corners in the division, then again this isn't saying much considering the corners in our division. It would be a different direction.
just because we dont need to use him this year does not mean he wont ever be useful. all this mean is he has a chance to get his growing pains out on the practice field instead of on gameday. now lets be honest at this point gholston would not be playing at the level of thomas/pace. so if he was on the field you would still be hating on him when he made mistakes, either way you win until he begins to improve. but when he does improve im sure you will have found someone else to bitch about. as far as you saying barton are you kidding? gholston was a de in college. he was drafted to be converted into a 3-4 olb, not an mlb. this isn't madden you can't just throw people into random positions because they are similar. olb and mlb are two different positions. if they wanted him to play for barton that would be two new positions you want the guy to learn. how about you give him a break and see what happens next year or later on this year before judging him so quickly.
"Up to now" being 4 games...and he won special teams POTW in one of them... And you don't even know the difference between a 3-4 DE and a 4-3 DE? After so many years of honing your expertise in player analysis? After posting on a football forum for years? Really?
H'mm make believe he was a 5 or 6th draft choice & had the production he has had up to now & give me your HO would he still be on the roster or would have been cut already? You are saying lets pay a guy 46M & because he was terrific on special teams one week he is a most wonderful & terrific player & he was worth the investment. Besides the running game the one area of the team that needs immediate & I mean immediate improvement is on stopping 3rd downs which at the moment we rank 5 from the bottom in. Certainly you would expect a stud as you make VG out to be to be able to contribute at least in this area which at least would strenghten the the team instead of him continuing to be a non contributor in that area
Hey look at the stats besides the running game we are 5 from the bottom in giving up 3rd downs & he should have been surely to have assist us in thiis area. You do realize that EVERY non contributor taking up a roster slot makes the team weaker not stronger do you not? EVERYONE on the roster should be a contributor
If that 5th or 6th round pick had Gholston's measurables, age, and performance record, why the fuck would you cut him? Cause he hasn't blown away a guy who doesn't know the difference between the 4-3 DE and the 3-4 DE? Yes, yes thats exactly what I'm saying. He didn't even have to be terrific in special teams. I'd just hand it to him cause he's big and muscular, which is why we really drafted him. Where have I used stud? Or anything but "wait on him?" Why am I arguing with you? It's a little obvious your comprehension of football goes little beyond "ZOMG nothing is going right."
Long term he has the size and the obvious ability to put on bulk to get up to around 295....which is suitable for a 3-4 DE. He'd also have above average strength and ridiculous speed for the position. It's just something to think about. He also maybe able to make the switch to MLB, if he can't display true quickness off the corner. He could shed about 8-10 lbs..get alittle quicker and be one helluva thumper in the middle w/ above average speed. The guy is a flat out athlete. Granted he's a RAW athlete...but every team has to have a good mix of these guys w/ football players. These are the high ceiling guys that's athletic ability can make them a huge asset down the road.
