Pace and Thomas (both of whom were top 20 picks) took 3 years to develop into the players they have become today so having a thread on Gholston every week will just be mental masturbation. He has had a lot thrown at him. Late to camp, new position, new defense, stepping up a level, etc, etc. Once the game slows down for him, he starts thinking less and reacting more you will see the explosiveness and speed in his game. Better than even chance he pans out into a solid NFL starter down the road. In the meantime, be happy we have two solid outside guys playing very well. Outside LB is set for the immediate future so he has the luxury of developing slowly unless the injury bug hits one of these guys.
He can?t play 34 DE. Even Ellis and Coleman are a little undersized for the Position, and he?s about 25 lbs lighter and 2 inch shorter. Nomatter how strong and powerfull you are, you can?t take a 320 lbs OT head on, keep your shoulders square to play both gaps and hold your ground on the LOS on every play, if you?re below 285lbs. The only reason Bowens was put in that position after Ellis left the game was that we were ahead that much and we expected them to throw the balls about 90% of the time. And when we?re in the 43 front and he?s in, he got his hand on the ground on a regular basis, but couldn?t do anything either.
I think you summed it up right there. When a guy has talent like that and can't get it doen it's his drive. He's tentative out there holding back instead of going 105%. I don't know if that is something that can change but I hope so.
Ware actually had a very good rookie year. 58 tackles and 8 sacks. Can't ask much more of a rookie. Williams started off slowly, but had a fair year. 47 tackles and 4.5 sacks. Both players started every game rookie season. Gholston hasn't had near as many chances as Ware and Williams as there are very good players in front of him. Still, as mentioned above, he just hasn't shown the fire, or the skills in what his strength is supposed to be. Pass rushing. I'm worried but not panicked yet
Dustin Keller. Shot up the drafts boards because of his combine and was/is a serious workout warrior. Gholston is switching positions and playing behind two guys that are playing at a high level right now. Why would you take one of them out on 3rd down when they have already combined for 6.5 sacks?
Ware had 4 of those 8 Sacks in the last 2 games that season. And the Texans took a lot of beating from the Media during William?s rookie season for passing on Bush and Young.
Look all you alibiers & excusers it is really plain & simple. If he was a 5th or 6th round draft choice do you even think he would be taking up a roster spot right now? If he would be a contributor in other then the ST area the team would be STRONGER because he is a NON CONTRIBUTOR he makes the team weaker. I would think each & every one of you supposed NYJs fans who are making these alibis & excuses for him want to win the SB & the only way to do that is have the STONGEST possible team & not carry non contributing teammates on the roster
No I am NOT suggesting that all I am saying IF he was a 5th or 6th round draft choice he most likely would have been cut already
There´s a reason he was the #6 overall and not a 5th or a 6th round. He is one of the most talented guys of this years draftclass. We saw with herm what happens, when yougo with vets and don´t give young guys a chance.
Thats is NOT the point. By not contributing he makes the team weaker which I sure you understand. Maybe the experts were way, way, way off base with his ranking just like they were with DeW. The question is if he WAS a 4th or 5Th or 6TH round draft choice & did not contribute would he still be around?
I don´t think BT would have 4 Sacks rigt now if we wouldn´t have drafted Gholston, so he makes the team better.
Want to be clear that you are saying that because #99 is afraid he will lose his job to #56 even though #56 is total non contributor that makes #56 a contributor?
You say this team would be a better team without Gholston. I say, that BT worked his ass off this Offseason and is playing great as a result, because he was/is afraif to loose his Job. He was/is afraid to loose his Job, because VG is a New York Jet. So this team has a better LOLB than it would have without VG on the roster. That brings me to the conclution, that you are wrong about the point that this team would be a better team without VG.
I think Abyzmul has some good points. The market value that picking no. 6 carries is injected by the market, not by the player. A certain amount of money, a certain amount of notoriety goes with no. 6 -- and has nothing to do with the player. A wise CS must separate the market value from the player's development. If you're willing to invest in the player, then it is imperative that you turn his potential into success. The time frame for this to happen has to do with this player's highly specific character traits, how he relates to this transition from BMOC to Rookie, what happens when his 4.4 speed has to contend with a new world when everybody else is running 4.2. This guy, Gholston, is a thoughtful guy, who is very deliberate about how he goes about his play. He never exhibited any "Miami Flash" when he was playing in college. There is no question that he is aware of what the NYJ's investment places in the way of expectations on his shoulders. But I think that the CS has been smart so far in bringing him along slowly. The guy made 4 tackles on special teams last Sunday. That's good. Our defense can't afford a third down single trick pony at the OLB position Gholston will play -- what if the opposing QB changes the play and it's a trap toward Gholston and not a drop back pass that he's been brought in to rush? He can't yell, "Time Out! No Fair!" But he's probably not prepared for the abrupt change-up in the called defense that Pace or BT would react with automatically. Not very much is coming very automatically for Vernon Gholston these days. He probably feels like a shorted out circuit a lot of the time out there. Apparently, his temperament is one of caution and bespeaks the need for arduous over-preparation to achieve that automatic response to what his instincts recognize. We've certainly seen this a lot in other 'big-name players' that could not deliver Instant Gratification for our fantasy card shufflers with their nervous little fingers on the wand.
The guy spent his entire football career with his fingers in the dirt – now he is faced with having to read people, plays and defenses at the NFL level…it’s not going to take three god damn weeks. I would say if we don’t see improvements next year in training camp – we can start to worry. Pretty easy to get from hero to zero around here.
Hopefully Gholston ends up like James Farrior. Drafted 8th overall in 1997, Parcells put him on special teams only for his first 4 years. For some reason, he finally decided to start him in his 5th year. The guy went out & proved himself to be a superstar. Oh I forgot,........we got 1 single good season out of him. At least Pittsburgh was able to reap the benefits of his success.
who exactly on the defense is gonna be sitting down for gholston to contribute to this defense right now? pace? thomas? i dont see where you are going with this. as has been said he was special teams player of the week. and having him contributing on special teams is the only place where he fits at the moment. our outside linebackers are simply to talented for him to be starting as a rookie right now. by your logic no team should have a backup quarterback on the roster. what exactly is that guy contributing to the team? nothing he is sitting there with a clipboard listening to the offensive calls on a headset. yet every team has at least one usually two. so after the pats drafted brady because he didnt become the started over bledsoe immediately he should have been cut for not contributing right? i dont know why i even acknowledge some of the things you say. im sure if this is responded to it will be more incoherent analysis.
