Marlins @ Mets, 9/26-9/28

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  1. JoeJet

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    I cannot believe his agent has not blown a gasket yet.
     
  2. 3rdAnd15Draw

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    Halladay is probably the only one that would be close to him in terms of IP. I mean he's got 6 CGs since the trade and no one other then Hallday has more then 5 for the entire year.
     
  3. Yisman

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    if I were his agent, I'd definitely create a #^%@storm. Call up newspapers, websites, etc. Complain about how it's hurting my client's value and maybe his future.

    His agent is Scott Parker. Guy is doing a poor job.

    Obviously CC should help the Brewers win, but there's a line that's crossed when a guy has no financial security. Maybe it helps that Sabathia weighs close to 300 pounds, but either way, an arm isn't meant to handle what his left arm has had to handle.

    I would not touch the guy in the free agent market. Chances are fairly high he gets injured next season.

    Parker better hope the Brewers miss the playoffs. Chances are that there will be a tiebreaker game on Monday. Brewers have a better chance to make the playoffs than the Mets, though.
     
  4. statjeff22

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    Again, a lot of this is overblown. Sabathia's last start for the Indians was on July 2. Since then he has had 16 starts for the Brewers and pitched 121 2/3 innings, throwing 1759 pitches. In the same time period Santana has had 17 starts for the Mets and pitched 120 2/3 innings, throwing 1696 pitches. If the Brewers had won today's game (so he wouldn't pitch tomorrow), their workloads in terms of innings would have been almost identical for the time period (we know that until September the Mets were limiting Santana's pitch counts somewhat, so his pitches per start are lower). Over the same time period Hallady had 16 starts and pitched 115 2/3 innings, throwing 1720 pitches - very similar to Sabathia. From July 1 on Cliff Lee has had 16 starts for the Indians and pitched 119 2/3 innings, throwing 1703 pitches - again, similar. A.J. Burnett - 17 starts, 115 IP, 1823 pitches, very similar. Sabathia's pitches per start are the highest, but the differences compared to Halladay, Lee, and Burnett are not really that large.

    Sabathia was actually not abused very much at all until these last three starts on three days rest, despite the hype - he was just very good on a team with a bad bullpen, so they kept him in games. If the rest of the Brewers had continued choking, he wouldn't have made at least one of these last starts, and his numbers would be typical for a very successful pitcher.
     
  5. Yisman

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    even without tomorrow's start, his innings since the trade are the highest in baseball, which really says something when you have workhorses like Halladay out there. To have more pitches and innings than Roy Halladay...


    Three days rest three times in a row?* Really? For a guy who's hitting the free agent market?

    * It will be 4 and possibly 5 if they make the playoffs, which is a probability.
     
  6. Yisman

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  7. Penning10toColes

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    Wow, that's incredibly frustrating...Not even sure what to say.
     
  8. PinPointPenning10

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    Anyone know how they would sell tickets for that?
     
  9. PinPointPenning10

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    It's not the worst thing in the world, I'd rather have a bunch of Cubs relievers than Marquis anyway. Besides, when he says he's gonna "tune up" his relievers, that includes Wood, Marmol, etc. too. Sometimes it's tougher for teams to get adjusted to seeing so many different looks out've the pen, too.
     
  10. Penning10toColes

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    Hmmm. That's true. If he wants to tune up his pen for the playoffs, I guess it stands to reason he'll use playoff-caliber players. Still, not really sure what to expect.
     
  11. Yisman

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    It would be Marshall, who hasn't been that good.

    I guess this is better. Depends which relievers Piniella uses.

    Either way, it's pretty rough to have your starter pitch that short and it's hard to win that way. It's been tried a few times (La Russa for example) and generally hasn't worked that well.
     
  12. Cakes

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    I have to go to bed now. Too much wine was given to me tonight.

    I think in about 12 hours, I'll be ready to drink other types of alcoholic beverages. The Mets and asshole Jets will cause this. I may have to get rid of some 100 Proof Southern Comfort or go with some vodka. It's a rough decision.
     
  13. Yisman

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    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...-carlos-zambrano-chicago-cubs,0,6496342.story

    MILWAUKEE - After naming Carlos Zambrano his starter for Sunday and saying he would pitch an inning or two, Cubs manager Lou Piniella switched to Angel Guzman after Saturday's game.

    "It's not going to matter because, well, it is going to matter but it's not going to matter," Piniella said in his best imitation of Casey Stengel.

    It probably will matter to the New York Mets, who are tied with Milwaukee for the wild-card playoff lead heading into the final game of the season. But what Piniella was trying to say was that whoever his starter was, he was only planning on pitching him an inning or two anyway, having decided already that Sunday will be a "bullpen day" when almost everyone on the playoff roster will get one final chance to throw before Game 1 on Wednesday.

    Guzman has no victories in the majors, despite having started 13 games in 2006-07. He will be facing Milwaukee ace CC Sabathia.

    "It'll be interesting to see what happens [Sunday]," Piniella said. "It's amazing how you play 161 games and it comes down to the last game, isn't it? It's unbelievable."


    @&#%@^#%
     
  14. Yisman

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    Scouting Report:
    Cubs: Guzman will get the start in the regular season finale. The Cubs had considered Carlos Zambrano, but he wanted a side day on Sunday instead in preparation for the postseason. Guzman most likely will not be on the playoff roster. The young right-hander is coming back from elbow surgery last August, and also has had shoulder surgery. This will be his 14th career start and first since May 17, 2007.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/probable_pitchers.jsp

    0-7 with a 6.13 ERA in his career.
     
  15. Yisman

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    :grin:

    Sheets: 2 1/3 IP, 5 hits, 4 runs, 2 walks
     
  16. Barry the Baptist

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    Jesus I don't think I'll be watching any football tomorrow, I have a feeling Perez is going to come up huge. Just a hunch but he was bad the other night so logic says he'll be good on 3 days rest like in 06.

    I don't know what I would do if this years game ends up like last years 162. I seriously might jump off my roof.

    BTW any idea who would pitch Monday should there be one? I'm anticiapting it's a must win because it certainly looks like the Cubs are doing what they can to avoid playing the Mets with the Single A pitcher they are starting tomorrow.
     
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    Pedro is going monday via Manuel
     
  18. Yisman

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    Mike Francesa is on the air insisting that Jason Marquis is starting. :lol:
     
  19. Yisman

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    Scott Olsen made some comments last week.

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/marlins/content/sports/epaper/2008/09/25/a1c_marlins_0926.html

    On the last day of the 2007 season, the Marlins scored seven runs off Tom Glavine in the first inning before coasting to an 8-1 win, eliminating the Mets in front of 54,453 at Shea Stadium.

    "It was just fun hearing 55,000 people not say a word," pitcher Scott Olsen said.

    "It was pretty amazing going from how loud that stadium could be to you could hear a pin drop after that game was over," Jacobs said. "I remember hearing some of the guys saying they saw fans who were crying."

    Manager Fredi Gonzalez intentionally put five backup players into his starting lineup Thursday against the Nationals for a game that was rained out after a delay of nearly two hours. He wanted to rest his starters for the Mets series, "for the integrity of the game and for the way you should play the game ... Like we did last year," Gonzalez said.

    "We're going to jump from the frying pan right into the fire and be in a significant series - 'spoiler' or whatever you want to call it."

    But first, the weather has to cooperate. Rain is forecast all weekend in New York, so there's a chance the Marlins will play a double-header Saturday, Sunday or Monday.

    Adding to the drama is the big send-off of Shea Stadium, which will be demolished after the season. Some of the greatest players in Mets history are expected to "Shea Good-bye," as the post-game ceremony Sunday is being called.

    Olsen, who starts Sunday, said he didn't understand all the fuss.

    "It's not that good of a stadium for me," he said. "I would think there would be more tears when they close down Yankee Stadium than Shea Stadium."

    Right-hander Chris Volstad, who is scheduled to start tonight, and fellow rookies Cameron Maybin and Gaby Sanchez, got a pep talk Thursday from veteran Wes Helms.

    "I said, 'Friday night, you're going to see playoff atmosphere," said Helms, who played for the Phillies' division-winning team last year.

    One Marlins player didn't care to reflect on how the Mets were eliminated last year. "It was not a good memory," said catcher Paul Lo Duca, who was with the Mets in 2007. "And I'm hoping we can make it not good memories for them again this year."
     
  20. PinPointPenning10

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    The simiarities to '07 are scary:

    -Lose Fri. night game to the Marlins, putting us one game back.
    -Win Sat. afternoon after a brilliant, CG-SO by one of our starters, and have the team we need to lose do so.
    -Have a lefty pitcher entering free agency in what could be his final start as a Met starting Sunday.

    Let's hope it doesn't end the same way!
     

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