Mangini has to go

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  1. Jetzz

    Jetzz Active Member

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    Woody never got rid of Herm... Herm rowed his own boat to KC. Maybe he smelled the smoke, or saw the blood in the water, but he got out on his own.
     
  2. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Yep. Here's the thing - putting aside Favre learning the O and all that, there were really only a handful of players who played well last night. Revis, Leon, Jenkins until he got hurt. Even Barrett did not play all that well after the int. Not saying everyone else played bad, but it was on a range of average to mediocre to poor. The team overall looked sluggish.

    It would have been something else if only some part of the team fell apart. Then you might point to something more specific, also with the recognition that other parts of the team played well.

    Taking individual players out, I don't think any corps of the team had a good game, whether OL, DL, ST, DB's, any of them.

    I may not be ready to give up on the dude yet, but an uninspired effort by the whole team like that is hard to attribute to something other than coaching.

    It's not even getting everyone all fired up with a speech before you hit the field. It's a confidence that the CS knows what they are doing, have prepared the team well in practice, will make game day adjustments, really everything the CS is supposed to be doing.

    Well I don't know that's what is missing, but I can't think of any other culprits, the only other logical explanation being that the players have a mediocre talent level, or maybe they all just had the flu, but we didn't read about that.

    What else could it be?
     
  3. Sinq15

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    I think the majority of people here are overreacting a bit.

    It's pretty tough going into that environment (Superbowl talent SD in an absolute must win situation @ home, monday night). I'm certainly not giving Mangini any excuses though; Arizona is my litmus test...

    If he can motivate the team, execute the gameplan and come out with a decisive win, winning in all 3 areas at home, I'll be behind him. But, if they come out flat, not much pass rush, struggle on stopping 3rd downs and lose or even scrape by with a win, I won't have any support left (for mangini of course, always support the team)

    Note: Through 3 games: T. Jones - 49 carries, L. Washington - 9 carries.
    I think Washington should be getting around a 3rd of the carries, not 15%. He can
    be our "sproles" for a lack of a better term. I know his pass protection isn't as
    good as Jones' but we need a spark plug in there every now and then.
     
  4. Italian Seafood

    Italian Seafood New Member

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    Yeah, for greener pastures.
     
  5. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    That's TGG.com for you. You'll get this reaction after close wins, too.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    I can't disagree with you there. We have the talent, but the CS doesn't seem to grasp what areas they are progressing in together.
     
  7. Jetzz

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    Heh, not looking too green these days though. That place has become a hole.
     
  8. VegasMav

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    Mangina is in over his head.

    Again, I'll say it again. He's the Willie Randolph of football. He doesn't know how to use his players, nor does he have a clue on what's going on the field.

    He is not ready to coach a NFL team. High school, yes, NFL no.

    He has no emotions, doesn't know how to put a gameplan together.

    If I'm going to invest in this team going forward, I want a new coach.
     
  9. notjustQBs

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    Brett has always made his living on short to intermediate passes inside the hash marks and lots of yards after the catch. The fact that he has a highlight reel of "Hail Mary's" is a testament to his longevity not his proclivity.
     
  10. notjustQBs

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    I tell you what. This "even keel philosophy" met up with a bunch of "maniacs" on a mission last night.

    My feeling was that we kept trying to match the Bolts' level of intensity and came up a dollar short.

    You can't make mistakes if the other team always has a half a wilful step on you.

    The NYJs just could not overcome their "gonna-be" mistakes and the desparate attitude of the other guys.

    If we're going to really take advantage of this "even keel philosophy" it is just mandatory that the team play a lot faster. They can't be lolly-gagging around.

    Now, I realize that there is still a lack of communication -- on the line, and between the WRs and the QB.

    But they got to get it on anyway. Now's the time to close up these gaps in learning with some helluva extra effort. Burn some midnight oil. Take a dozen extra reps before and / or after practice. Carry the pumpkin higher up in those big guns, Thomas!

    Forget about being hurt, Brett, you ain't got the time for it if you want to win. It's no good having something in your mind if it's still a secret to the Wideouts.
     
  11. StreetFighterJet

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    Yes on all accounts :)
     
  12. mr nyjet

    mr nyjet Well-Known Member

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    does he actually make any in-game adjustments to the defense?

    sutton is clueless and the hc doesn't seem to have any answers.

    rex ryan would be my choice next year. heck, even buddy could find better guys to play the o-line and d-line than tangini. any idiot can throw lots of money at a free agent, but it's a stop-gap at best.
     
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    that could be the main problem. both sutton and mangini can't seem to fix the defense, and it is SUPPOSED to be their area of expertise.
     
  14. ajetsfan4ever

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    ditto, and i've been his biggest supporter.

    every season under mangini we get off to slow starts.

    the patriot game, they killed us w/the same fucking play they killed us last year w/a screen to welker, how does he not have the team ready for that?

    he got outcoached AGAIN yesturday.

    i'll be patienced untill the bye, after that, the chemistry shit w/favre should be taken care of.

    mangini's record after bye's has been pretty good, i think week 5 is perfect for us
     
  15. CJLang

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    I was stunned when the Jets hired him in the first place. His one season as the Defensive coordinator of the Pats was easily their worst season in the last 5. Belichik took the defensive calls out of his hands halfway through the season because he was so ineffective.
    Below is the NFL defensive rankings (and link) since 2002
    Pats Ratings
    2007- 4
    2006- 5
    2005- 24 (Mangini as DC)
    2004- 9
    2003- 7

    http://www.coachescorner.com/n_input/nnweb/scores/header_nfl_def_rank.htm
     
  16. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    didn't you guys have like 8 guys on IR that year?
     
  17. BradyToMoss

    BradyToMoss Banned

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    Offer him a box of jelly donuts and a couple of glazed sticks to pack up his office and get the ef out. It will be easy..........
     
  18. EcKo151

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    On a positive for the defense...They always seem to pickup their act after the BYE week...

    Luckily it's early this season...Hah.
     
  19. CJLang

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    They've had injuries every year. In 04, they played without Seymour and Law the 2nd half of the season (Seymour came back to play in the SB)

    In 05, Bruschi was the only major injury (stroke) I believe.

    Even still, why would you decide a young coach who's been a DC only one season (and not a successful one) is the best choice for HC?
     
  20. ajetsfan4ever

    ajetsfan4ever Active Member

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    why would you guys hire bellicheat after he was terrible as a hc in cleveland?

    also, maybe in 2005, you werent cheating?
     

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