A lot of really intelligent New York sportswriters, especially those from the New York Post (that bastion of journalistic integrity) have castrated Mangini and Schottenheimer for the three runs from the 3 play sequence. "We spent 12 million on this Favre guy," they say. "What a waste of money to run the ball three times! Why pick up a guy like that if you're not going to use him?!" Good question. But please bear in mind, we also signed Alan Faneca, Damien Woody, Bubba Franks, Tony Richardson and hired Bill Callahan. Why did we sign those guys? We signed them so that when we had a 1st and goal at the 3 yard line, we could call three draws in a three tight end set and score. Did it work out yesterday? Nope. That's football, folks. But if it did, everyone in New York would be saying, "Oh sweet, we rammed it right down their throats, AWESOME!" If you thought second down should've been some nice play action, OK, that's fine. But our entire off-season was designed with those three play calls in mind. If we get a 1st and goal on the three against the Chargers, I want three draws.
fair enough, but on 3rd and three why would you run the ball at Richard Seymour? It gets a little frustrating.
Knowing your opponent has a monster front 7 is pretty important. 3 tries straight at them. That's not very sound play calling. 12 men on the field is becoming old. 30 yard punts...... For two weeks straight they've looked lost.
A lot of teams have good O-lines with lots of money poured into them. You never see three straight runs in that situation. Every team takes a shot at least with one throw. Two two things may be in play here. 1) we're trying to re-invent the wheel. 2)Shotty is a complete assclown. you pick.
hopefully this will be a wakeup call for the coaching staff!! when i heard the jets were trying to aquire favre, my first thought was "wow, were really going to go for it this year and open it up and pull out all the stops to go for the gusto and win it all"!!! after all, why did we get brett favre? after watching the first two games it looks like we're still in the chad pennington mode of having the qb being a game manager. i hope and can't really believe this is what we got favre for!!! hopefully the coaching staff wakes up and smells the coffee, or else they should go with favre when he calls it quits after this season......
That's what the logicians call a Straw-man argument. You change the premises and then prove your point against false premises. Firstly, a 3 TE set does not show what the signings could have accomplished. A test of them would have been to stay in a spread formation and let the o-line go against 7 in the box. Secondly, who says that the signings on the o-line turned the team into a smash-mouth offense? One of the best scoring teams of all time, the SD Chargers w fouts--did they run a 3 TE set with first and goal at the 5? Playing to ones strengths is intelligent play-calling. What? Mangini has to prove he has a big penis by forcing a run with 11 in the box? I am more concerned with the lack of self-examination being shown by Mangini. Since he is not admitting error, it is likely that this will continue.
But doesn't that mean the Jets were trying to do something unexpected? It didn't work, of course, and that's obviously the bottom line.
They didn't. Richard Seymour just happened to beat his guy. Our very next time in the red zone we threw the ball... But don't let any of these stupid things get in the way of this weeks "who should be fired or cut" thing...
I don't care who you have or who they have, three straight runs into the line--with the same back--and failing to get the TD on 1st and goal from the 3 is a shitty job. There is no defense for getting 3 points when you had 1st and goal at the 3. Herm Edwards is going to laugh at that film.
Fine line between unexpected and ineffective. The Jets could have started Brad Smith at QB yesterday and that would have really been unexpected. The bottom line is the Jets played against their own strength(having Favre) and right nto the Pats strength(theire tremendous front line) in that goal line situation. Maded no sense, There is no defending it.
Quote: "...I am more concerned with the lack of self-examination being shown by Mangini. Since he is not admitting error, it is likely that this will continue...." You wanna Scott Lannihan for the NYJs? He's going to get puked up before the end of the season. The head coach shouldn't use the media and the fans for his psychiatrist's couch. He should keep opinions about his failures and his successes to himself, and not bleat them so Bellichick can get more fodder for his locker. Wilfork says, "oh, why all the long faces? ...They looked shocked like they are surprised that we beat them?!?" It's important that the CS challenged the NYJ OL to show up and do their job. What in the hell do you think Bellichick did with those Effing Pats that beat us yesterday? The fact that the OL was shown up says they have a lot of work to do, and fast. You guys keep looking for that Machine from God, and if this OL doesn't shape up the deus ex machina will arrive a car wreck already. This game was lost by the players, not the coaches. The players need to see reality -- where are they really and how far do they really have to go to get where they can win. It ain't here yet, that's what the Pats told them.
I'll say it again: The players lost this game, not the coaches. The players need to see where they really are and how far they have to go to get where they need to be to win. The Pats told them they are sure as hell not there yet.
The Pats have one of the largest and most dominant front sevens in football. People seem to casually forget this and want to bash our O-line for not getting enough push. When those guys know what is coming you can bet they are going to eat you up. A play action pass out of that formation would have been great to see there.
I didn't see this posted anywhere else so I thought i would throw it in here. When Mangini first came here in '06 and he didn't have "his" players that were needed to fit his system (lacked confidence in players), he tried to steal games by innovative play calling on offense, defense and special teams. Now that he has his team of “Mangini-type players”, he seems to be relying on them and relying less on the trickery and wide-open play. Even in ’07 he used the muddle-huddle on defense to compensate for Drob in the middle and no pressure from the OLBs and multiple motions and sets on offense to confuse the opposing teams. Now it is just straight my guys vs. your guys football and he has taken coaching out of the mix. What do you think would have gone through Cassel’s head when he saw 7 or 8 guys standing up at the line of scrimmage milling about waiting for the snap? It seems that Mangini’s biggest mistake is trying too hard to not make coaching mistakes and lose a game on a bad decision. When expectations are low, it is easy to play fast and furious, because nobody is going to blame you when it fails. However, now that the expectations are high and the superbowl word is being mentioned in the media, you look like a fool when you take chances and it doesn’t pay off. Mangini needs to go back and look at the ’06 games, see what got him the name “Mangenius” and incorporate some deception into their game plans ASAP.
it gets very irritating that there is no consistency in the play calling. Jones runs well and what does schotty do? abandon the run and do nothing but screen passes. Then they go back to the run when they are down and they have fucking brett favre at qb. And how about no long passes? it's looking like a chad offense here!
No doubt. New England's D is known for their size and power. They are also known to lack sideline to sideline speed. Spreading things out is the way to go against them.
Last year we got two TDs against them, both Chad to Coles going to the sideline, corner of the end zone, similar to the Stuckey TD but on the left side instead of the right.
Its very funny to me how, like you said, all these journalists are ripping the jets for being too conservative in their play calling, and say that as long as they continue to play so conservatively, the Jets can never be mentioned in the same breath as the Patriots. But all the Patriots did was play conservative. They werent throwing the ball all over the field, they were running the ball and throwing short completions. The only difference between the Patriots and Jets yesterday was the Jets made mistakes and the Patriots didnt. Really thats what drives me crazy about the Patriots, btw. They say to err is human, so I guess the Patriots players are in fact machines? Because they don't ever, ever make a mistake (at least as far as the refs are concerned). Look at that one tipped pass for example, Calvin Pace tips a pass up in the air at the line. Probably 60% of the times that happens around the NFL it results in an incompletion, and 35% of the time its an interception. That ball will almost never be caught by an offensive player. But the Patriots caught it for first down yardage, and theyll do crap like that every time you play them.
