Yes but Mike McCarthy would not be accompanying him to New York. Without McCarthy watching over him would he go back to be being the 20+ INT guy? There has to be a reason the Packers told him they were going foward and if he wanted to come back he would be the backup to Rogers.
For what it is worth, the Packers did go 4-0 against the AFC West last season. I would take Grant over Jones and I'd take the Cotchery-Coles-Baker triumvirate over the Driver-Jennings-Lee one. So we disagree on all that. The Packers front seven was very good in 2007. I thought Aaron Kampman was the best end in the league last year. Their secondary was pretty good. Al Harris was up-and-down. He had a couple disgusting efforts, particularly the Dallas game. Charles Woodson and Atari Bigby were good. To me, Favre's play and the defense were the two big reasons the Packers went to the title game.
The reason is that the Packers want to see what they have in Rodgers. His contract expires after the 2009 season and he hasn't seen any fruitful playing time yet. You also can't judge him after one season. The Packers want to find out if they have the real deal in this kid or not, whether or not he is there future. Would be a pretty boneheaded thing to do to let Rodgers walk after the investment they made him just so he can go somewhere else and succeed because Favre wasn't ready to hang up the cleats yet. Kind of what I'm getting at with Clemens.
Then you must have never seen Ryan Grant play. I would take everyone on that team over ours with the exception of Rhodes, Harris, Revis, Faneca, Brick, and Mangold.
noooooooooooooooooooooooo god is Farve a career better qb than any one on our roster yes, do I think Farve will have as great a season as he did last year at this age noooooooooooooooooooo. Dont sign him
Upgrading from Clarke to Faneca is going to make the Jets look a hell of a lot better than they did last year.
1st off you are clearly biased living in Wisconsin.... no offense The attempts work both ways. He threw less interceptions but he also threw almost 100 less passes last year than he did in 06 and in 05. If I'm mistaking don't the Packers run the WC offense? There is alot of dink and dunk in that too. But to be fair Yes I'd absolutely rather have Favre in the last 2 minutes over Penny and Clemmons but Penny has been no slouch in the final two minutes (I'm no junc) but I'd be willing to wager Penny has at least a dozen 4th quarter comebacks and Clemmons was pretty good in that 4th against the Ravens last year no pushover of a defense.
Outside of San Diego the AFC West stunk..... if they played San Diego in November or December instead of September and they needed a miracle to win that game the Chargers would have beaten them. The only reason Id take Jones is because Thomas has been consistent and Grant until he proves otherwise is a one year wonder. He looks to be for real but you have to do it more than once.
Very valid points, yeah the Pack does do a lot of handoff and pitching type things. Also, I agree Penny would be great in the 4th quarter and I am really hoping he starts this year and leads us to the playoffs. I'm just saying Brett Favre is still a great qb and would be an instant upgrade for impatient fans like myself who want to win now. For all we know he may end up playing 2 or 3 more years and if he had even 2 years with us you must admit it would be a signing that would be worth it. We would HAVE to be named good contenders... BTW did you see post 120? Also, a little fun fact... I remember being in 8th grade and hearing about Favre thinking of retiring soon. Well now I'm over a year removed from High School. That's how fucking long I've had to deal with Favre retirement shit. So I just think really he could come back for more than one year, something nobody seems to be talking about.
Favre immediately makes this team a top-3 team in the AFC. Think about it, let's see where we rank at every other position: Offensive Line: A- Ferguson, Faneca, and Mangold will make a great trio, and Moore and Woody are both above average. Running Game: B+ Thomas Jones will be good behind a line that actually blocks, and Leon is so damn shifty Receivers/Tight Ends: A- Coles is an absolute warrior, JCotch is a god when it comes to YAC, Baker is the kind of TE Favre would love to hit in the seam Defensive Line: B+ Jenkins immediately gives this line credibility. Coleman led all DL in tackles, and Shaun Ellis is a more than competent 3-4 end. Linebackers: B+ Harris is an absolute beast, we know that. Pace and Gholston will pressure the QB on every play, and moving back to the Weak Side will help Thomas tremendously. Barton is solid inside, too. Defensive Secondary: B+ Kerry Rhodes is the best safety in the NFL, Elam is average at worst and Revis is a stud. If one of our CB steps up, this could be the best secondary unit in the AFC Special Teams: B+ Nugent is above average as a kicker, Graham is average, and our KR are All-Pro caliber. If we had Favre at QB, this team could go 13-3. I'm absolutely serious. I'd give up a first for him, I said it before and I mean it.
I doubt he would get amnesia and forget everything he learned the past two years. McCarthy wasn't on the field with him telling him who to throw to and when, he taught him to play smarter. I suppose their would be some risk that he would revert back to that form, but I really wouldn't be worried about it. There is risk in everything in life - you have to take risks to gain rewards. The trick is to know when you should and/or need to take the risks.
I understand what you mean. I understand why the Packers want to play Rodgers. However, if it's the offseason and you think your team is pretty good, I'd go with a good, proven QB and not worry about an unproven guy like Rodgers. The Broncos drafted Tommy Maddox in the 1st round in 1992 because they thought Elway was going to wash up pronto. Look how that worked out. That same year the Bengals took David Klingler in the 1st round because they thought Boomer Esiason was done. Of course Esiason went to the Jets the following year and was okay there. Meanwhile, Klinger was sucking in Cincinnati. Interestingly, Klinger played his final game for the Bengals in 1995. Esiason played his final game for the Bengals in 1997. What is my point? Teams sometimes worry too much about the next guy or making sure the young guy plays. Often times, that young guy is not the answer. Clemens had a shot last year and he played poorly for the most part. Much of that can be attributed to the line and Clemens' youthfulness.
The Packers may have beat SD early last year, but a counter arguement could be that the Packers hadn't discovered how great Lee and Jennings were yet, and the RB we had isn't even playing anymore.
I know I made a post about this sometime in 2007. I totally forget what the numbers were. I'll look for that post and if I find it I'll put it in this thread.
Pennington has led the Jets to 1 FG (last year against Miami) and 0 TDs in the final two-minutes of games when the Jets were down by 10 points or fewer since Week 1 of 2006....
While the points you make are great ones, I don't think anybody will agree with you that we should give up a potential pro-bowl or hall of fame player for the next 12-14 years just to get 1 or 2 years out of #4. You forgot to mention getting Keller would help. However I don't think our DE's are even average. I certainly don't consider Elam even close to average. Plus chances of a 2nd CB stepping up, Pace, Thomas, and Gholston all performing to their expected level is a little far-fetched to be honest. However anything is possible, and our team COULD be great even without Favre. Lowest record with Favre: 9-7 Highest record with Favre: 13-3 Lowest record now: 7-9 Highest record now: 11-5 JMO. I speak up more because I know more about Favre then others here.
Well obviously McCarthy wasn't on the field with him but McCarthy wouldn't be in the meetings with him or to look at those printouts on the sidelines or talk to him during the half. Having that type of in game coaching can make a real difference.
Again, if you watched him play you would have noticed that he wasn't throwing up the ridiculous prayers that he had been throwing up in previous seasons when he was simply trying to do too much. That has nothing to do with watching film or in game coaching. It's a mentality of not making stupid decisions and relying on your team mates. If you disagree, than I guess we have to disagree.
