Are you nuts? Are you the kind of person who busts aces with kings all-in pre-flop and then says the best hand won? No competent general manager predicates a god damn thing on outcome. You put yourself in the best position to win, and then probability takes over. Brett Favre gives you a chance to win a Super Bowl. That cannot be said for any quarterback currently on the Jets roster. Personally, I think Kellen Clemens is a bum, but even if I had positive expectations for his growth curve, this would be the right move. If he's really going to be that badly "hurt" by being on the bench for a year, chances are it wasn't going to work out anyway.
Holy shit -- did you really just post one of those generic forum JPEGs? I'll bet your Friday night is going to be fucking wild!
I agree with all that. If Clemens would have his feelings hurt because Favre was brought in, then Clemens is not going to make it in this league.
I don't think it's about hurt feelings. I'm thinking more real time game experience. Going through the motions, commanding the offenses, developing a chemistry with the wide receivers, becoming a leader and gaining the trust of his teammates... that won't happen if he's holding the clipboard.
I find it funny that you left out the statistical evidence that I provided in the post about his previous 4 years when he threw 75 INT's. Or how he is the All time INT's leader. I think you may be the tool.
I'm gona jump on the 'lets sign him' wagon, worth a punt in my opinion, especially after the season he had last year. IMO we are a qb short of having a shout at a play-off spot
Last season the coaches worked with him to refine his game and help him stop making a lot of the stupid mistakes he had made in the previous 4 years. He was definitely playing poorly for that stretch, but last season could have been his individual best performance of his career. If he can continue to do what he did last season to minimize dumb mistakes I don't see why he would revert to the prior form. edit: McCarthy actually started working with him in 2006, helping him bring his INT total from 29 in 2005 to 18 in 2006. In 2007 that improved to 15.
Personally, I strongly believe the addition of Brett Favre to this team would make the Jets one of the best teams in the conference. Like abyzmul and others have said in this thread numerous times, this team's biggest need is quarterback. While I understand that Clemens is still young and all that, but this team has a great chance to win RIGHT NOW if they get quality play from the QB position. Had KC shown me anything to make me think he'd be a good QB this year I'd say the Jets could pass on Favre, but sadly he hasn't, and therefore they can't. What does this do for his confidence? Don't know, don't care. If Favre goes through this year and doesn't play well, then he'll retire and we'll be in the same place we are now next year. If Favre does great, then this team will, and however KC responds is his own problem.
While I completely agree with that concept (COMPLETELY! For the future of the franchise, Kellen Clemens had better get a lot of game time this season!), if the CS is willing to give Chad Pennington a chance to be the starting QB, thus making the chances of Kellen holding the clipboard this year better than 50%, they sure as hell had better be willing to bring in Brett Favre... If, for the future of the franchise, they decide not to give Favre or the Packers a call, and then Chad goes on to win the starting job, this CS will have proven themselves to be ridiculously stupid... If we're going to set back finding out who our QB of the Future is by one year, it had be because our veteran QB is a future HOFer, not an injury-prone has-been.........
he would make this team phenomenal. we go from an 9-7 prediction to a definite playoff team and quite possibly a team that can knock the patriots off there high friggin horse. it can unlock the full potential of cotchery's speed for deep routes, gives laverneus a guy who wont get him killed over the middle, and gives clemens another great mentor to learn from. there is no reason not to do this.
The Jets don't have time to go through the motions. They spent a ton of money this offseason and did so on older players. They signed several declining players, namely Alan Faneca, Damien Woody, Bubba Franks and Tony Richardson (upthread I noted the vaunted Minnesota run game has improved due to the subtraction of Richardson and the addition of Tapeh; the latter is very, very underrated). Faneca may be alright for a couple years, but I don't know that the Jets will get much out of the other three. Thomas Jones will probably be good for one more season, if that. Leon Washington is not a feature back. Jesse Chatman and Musa Smith are fringe players. There is no long-term answer in the Jets RB corps. I see this Jets team as a win-now team. Sure, there are nice young players in some spots (Ferguson, Mangold, Cotchery, Gholston, Harris, Revis, Rhodes), but there are too many older players on this team to throw this season away. In your post, you seem resigned to the fact that the Jets cannot be a contender in 2008 and that this year should be used for Clemens to become a real NFL QB. Last year was for that. 2008 is not for messin' around. If the Packers are going to allow Favre to play elsewhere in 2008, the Jets would be foolish to not heavily pursue him.
I'd also argue that playing against the weakest conference in the NFL helped. I'd also argue that the core of players they had are better than the core of players on the Jets especially at the skill positions. I'd take Jones over Grant but I'd take Driver, Jennings and Lee over Cotch, Coles and Baker.
Aside from your projection of Clemens chances of winning the competition, I could not agree more with what you're saying here. Well said.
Can't disagree with that. The one reason I would be happy with a Favre signing is that he is a once in a lifetime opportunity at an uncertain position. I just think that Clemens has not had a real opportunity to grow into his position and a Favre signing would be enough of a setback for Clemens that he is no longer worth the effort.
The Jets are among the 5 youngest teams in the league, even with the signings. The purpose of the signings wasn't to make us a win-now team, it was to make us a competitive young team. I'm not resigned to the fact that the Jets are not a contender this year but I'm also not sold that Favre is a ticket to the Super Bowl. I see a Favre signing as putting all your eggs in one basket. When you do that it has to either pan out perfectly or it was a total waste. Especially if we're going to give up draft picks for him.
I'm sure the competition played a role, that's a good point. I don't give the packers receivers a much better rating than the Jets receivers, possibly a slight advantage - but that's a matter of opinion that we just disagree on. If you watched Favre play last year you saw a guy that was playing MUCH smarter football than in prior years. He changed the way he plays the position for the better - regardless of the level of competition.
Yes, in 2005 he played TERRIBLE. His team was also terrible around him. His line was TERRIBLE. Trust me we were calling for his head for awhile haha. That's true, Brett was never amazing when it came to interceptions, however you have to look at how many years he played the game as well. By the time their careers are over, Brady, and Manning will both be towards the top of the INT list as well. There are many great QBs who have thrown hundreds of INTs just like Brett has. And we didn't throw a lot of interceptions because with KC we ran the ball and with Penny, we didn't do hail marys like the Packers do and did a lot. All you're really doing is complaining the Packers threw the ball a lot and threw it down field. I see what your point is but it really is no arguement. No offense. PS. If you're down by 6 and you've got 2 minutes left, would you rather have the best of Clemens and Pennington combined, or Brett Favre? Come on man...
