EXACTLY....that knowledge and leadership is INVALUABLE....my personal take on the QB situation is "May the Best Man Win" but IF Chad is no 2 then we have the BEST backup in the NFL!! If Kelly wins, then I wish him the best and hopefully HE will lead us to the playoffs!...just tired of all the chad haters....his arm has had 2 surgeries.....but he can still lead men!
Who cares about Penningtons ability to mentor? It's just that he can be a capable starter in this league, and we have him in a pinch. The salary...who gives a fuck...but how would this team be better if we cut Pennington and didn't have a solid veteran to back up Clemens?
The problem is that Chad does not want to be a backup. He wants to be a starter. And every second Chad Pennington is on the field is a second that we are not devoting to finding out whether or not Clemens can be the guy, and detrmining which direction to go at QB. Every time Pennington gets first team reps at practice, that's time Clemens is missing out on where he could be trying to develop chemistry with the 1st team, and continue his development. Pennington brings a lot to the table as a mentor. But as he is not content with simply being the mentor, and is actively fighting for the starting job, I truly believe he is hurting the progress of the team more than he is helping as a mentor.
As does every QB in the NFL...it ends up meaning 0 doesn't it? True. Still fail to see how that makes him expendable. Exaggerating much? Tons of backups/non-starters take first team snaps...It doesn't rock anyones world as much as you're making it sound. He *should* be actively fighting for the starting job. It's not like Clemens is a great QB yet, and it's not like Pennington has a really great shot at winning the job.
He's hardly a capable starter in this league.. have you not watched him over the last few seasons? And why SHOULD we have the highest paid benchwarmer in the league? That's just stupid. He's good as a back-up, but if Clemens or whoever becomes our next franchise quarterback were to be injured, maybe end his season or even career (knock on wood), why should we settle for an overpaid noodle-armed has-been. Our back-up should be someone who, at the very least, might have a future. I don't mean to rail on Chad so hard; for the record I love everything Chad has done for this team and I wish his performance could cut it, but it doesn't.
As much as I hate using this defense...he just QB'd a pretty meh team to the playoffs 2 years ago. Yep. He's lost arm strength on what was a slightly above average arm before, and it's cost us significantly at times. But behind a good O-line with solid recievers to throw to...I have no doubt Chad Pennington or any really capable QB could have success at the NFL level. People seriuosly seem to underrate how systemize this game is. Will Chad excite and amaze like Palmer, Brady, or Manning? Nope. Is it absolutely necessary to have a QB like that to win games in the NFL? Nope. Who *cares* about the contract right now? The contract was stupid from Day 1 IMO, whether Chad was starting or not. Do I think it sucks that he's really expensive and on the bench? Sure. Do I think it's something that should actually affect a personell decision? Nope. The facts are that Chad's contract is his contract and eventually it'll go away in some way, shape, or form. What REALLY matters is whether we could upgrade the backup position if we did cut Chad...do you think so? Nope. It's not like it's that easy to find a good veteran QB that wants to backup a young QB. Because most veteran backups are has beens? Hell, thats not even true...most are never weres. No, our backup should be the second best QB on the roster. Oh I agree...I've said we need to move on from Chad for years now...I hated that contract that day he got it...but it just doesn't make sense to just cut him. We'd have to find a good backup...have him learn the offense...have him develop chemistry with the team...like whats the point?
Chad was a very good QB for a very short while, but with other veteran back-ups, yeah not so much. Veterans are good back-ups, but I'd still rather roll with someone who hasn't had too much experience yet might have potential to be a starter. Someone like Ainge. If Chad can't get the starting job here, he WILL want out cause he knows he can probably play somewhere else. If he wants a chance to start, he should get it. And I agree with the whole mentoring thing.. at this point that's crap. If Clemens was ever to be mentored by Chad, he's already had plenty of time for that. A good QB coach should be able to mentor a new QB well enough anyway.
What are you guys going to say if the CS declares Chad the winner, the team rallies around him, and the NYJs start winning....? I have to point out that my friend Nick had to deal with this very thing with Eli Manning last year. Even up to the play-offs he could not bring himself to admit that Eli gave the team even a half-assed chance to win it all. Talk about being incredulous with a Super Bowl -- you should have seen Nick's face... he was just so sure he was right about Eli, and then the guy goes and wins one of the greatest upsets ever and gets named MVP. For Nick, it was almost not fair.
I'd LOL. People really need to realize how simple getting aproductive QB can be...: 1. Make sure he knows the system. 2. Make sure his skills can work within the system. 3. Call good plays. 4. QB executes. 5. Everyone around the QB does their job so that he can do his. This includes O-line, the RBs, the recievers running their routes, and the coaches not getting predictable...but even then if everyone does their jobs it wouldn't be an issue. Chad knows the system...has produced in the system...and the teams offense is way more talented than the '06 teams...
If Chad starts this year, I'd like to see the Jets draft a highly touted QB coming out of college. The future needs to be addressed. Chad is whatever for now - but 3 years from now I'd to see the next era of QB for this team flourish with this team around him. This team was built for a young kid to learn and grow into. Solid O-line, strong Defense, good running game to help his progress. If Clemens isn't the guy, the Jets have to find one.
Expedndable as far as value on the block or upgrade needed Sean Ellis Declining but has value as a versitle starting D-lineman. Brandon Moore is nothing special, depth at best with all the o-line additions and a fierce competion Moore will sink or float. David Barrett can help a team with injuries in the secondary Bryan Thomas really need to see him with more talent around him than he had last year Ben Graham may flourish after gaining some confidence Hell no can't go no where David Harris hard nose thowback HOF Darrelle Revis 1/2 of the feild. Kerry Rhodes to much to offer Nick Mangold leader of the offensive line in my opinion. Mike Nugent prolific in FG's scores points 53 yarders + I'm glad to see that problem fixed and want it to stay that way
The bolded points are where Chad falls short... You can set up the perfect system for Chad, but there are going to be times when everything doesn't go according to plan. There are going to be times when the team is down late, and needs to rally. Chad CANNOT run a two-minute drill. He hasn't led the team to a TD in a two-minute drill situation since 2004. He has produced ONE FG in that time, and that was last year against Miami. Chad has never produced in Shotty's system. I don't know where you got that idea. We went 10-6 in 2006, but Chad had about 3-4 good games in the beginning of the year, and then hit the skids. He ended with fewer than 20TDs and a measly +1 TD/INT ratio. And that was with a working line and a soft schedule. Chad can be a great leader and Chad can lead a ball-control offense. But if we need a comeback, ball control doesn't work. When you have a veteran QB, who, down 10 points with a minute left, sits in the pocket for 5+ seconds, before checking down to a RB two yards past the LOS, in the middle of the field, in double coverage, you know that there is something seriously wrong. Chad is NOT a capable starter for this team anymore. Why should he be getting half the first team reps, when we all know what the result will be if he were to light up TC (like oh so many mediocre players before him) and win the starting job...?
Quote: "...Chad is NOT a capable starter for this team anymore. Why should he be getting half the first team reps, when we all know what the result will be if he were to light up TC (like oh so many mediocre players before him) and win the starting job...?" As I have pointed out before, this is not an argument about Chad, but a total disagreement with the CS and FO. If you guys are this adamant about their most fundamental judgment calls, then you should be campaigning for firing of Mangini and Tannenbaum. Who are your candidates for their replacements? What are they doing now? Why should they be considered? How are you going to get rid of Mangini and Tannenbaum now? What are their contracts and what impact will their summary terminations have on the team's finances? Doesn't the current commitments in FA and the draft discourage swift CS and FO revision? What would be the impact on the team that Mangini and Tannenbaum are in mid-stride building? How could you manage your way through this rapid (or will it be slow?) coaching / management transition that your total disagreement is mandating? What will be the win / loss impact on 2008? on 2009? on 2010? Do you think that total CS / FO regime change can be effected and then digested in a single season? In a couple of seasons? Will the new CS regime have to agree to run this offense and this defense? Will the new CS regime be allowed to bring in their own offense and their own defense? How will these new philosophies work with the players the NYJs have now? Gentlemen, these are just a few of the questions that must be confronted if you seriously think the CS and FO are so totally and fundamentally wrong on their most important issues. Instead of busting on these CS and FO choices, you should be chewing on some of these rusty nails -- they're what your ferocious discontent is really brewing.
It appears that Mangini & Tannenbaum are building this team from the outside in, not from the inside out. IMO, it looks like they are getting the pieces in the puzzle w/O-line and defense sorted out before they invest in either a franchise QB or a franchise RB. Its a different philosophy from what the Raiders are doing; i.e. just get the flashiest player available regardless of need. There were zero serious upgraded options for us in FA to really address the QB issue & no need to spend another high draft pick on a QB until we have actually seen what KC can do w/this O-line. Anyone that grades KC entirely on last years performance (his 1st season as a starter, running for his life with no ground game to speak of) is nuts.
Wewantsapp, maybe you are right -- Mangini, Tannenbaum and Co. are just taking what they believe is the best of what's available and doing what they can. Like a lot of other working stiffs, they are not gods playing Madden and filling out their Fantasy Football Prom cards, they're just football coaches and managers struggling with the real thing.
On the money. Ever notice how Chad Fans fail to even take up this point? He CANNOT bring the team back. When the game situation requires an attacking passing game, and Chad is behind center, the game is lost.
KC&K- I'm not a big Mangini/Tannenbaum fan, but just because I don't agree with everything they do, doesn't mean I automatically am advocating firing them with a month left until training camp. Being a fan doesn't mean you have to agree with everything the CS or FO does all the time. And being a coach or GM doesn't mean that everything you do is always smart, and undeserving of second guessing. Coaches and front offices f*ck up all the time- especially with this team. I believe that keeping Chad aboard and letting him compete for the starting job is a big mistake by the CS/FO, for the reasons I have listed (and nobody has disputed). No, I don't want to fire the GM and HC this late in the offseason, but I think they're making a mistake. 20 out of 32 teams, every season miss the playoffs. That means that at least 20 HCs and/or GMs made moves that did not lead to success on the field. This mindset, of assuming everything the CS/FO does is correct/smart, and we shouldn't dispute it because we don't know anything compared to them, is just plain silly.
