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  1. Raiderjoe

    Raiderjoe Banned

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    Answer me this, What Jet LB/ safety can cover a MCfadden. C Pace - Nope Gholston _ Nope Rhodes- Nope. Barton -. Nope harris - Nope

    A Team comes out with a Three WR set and tell me whose picking up that WR. I've been saying it for months now. Jets will be tough to run on. Can they stop anyone passing offense. Thats where they are going to get hurt bad. Once teams force them out of that big DE/OLb package. Than teams will just pound the Jets on the ground.
     
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    The Key is the pass rush. If Russell is on his back our defense won't have to worry about who sticks Mcfadden.
     
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    With all this spectacular coaching and superstar talent how is it that the Raiders ended up drafting ahead of our 4-12 team of last year? Neither team has not done a thing to warrent their cast of players or coaches to be compared to anybody.
     
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    Current staff? Mangini and Schottenheimer are considered to be two of the NFL's best young minds...and they've made it to the playoffs.

    Ryan is a great defensive coordinator and no one is questioning Oakland's talent on defense, but Kiffin has been horrible. 4-12 and the threat of being fired is a pretty good way to start off your career, don't you think? Greg Knapp WAS a good coordinator, but the west coast offense has died. Knapp still knows how to run the football, and that's what they do in Oakland, but when they need to pass, it's over.
     
  5. Raiderjoe

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    Good luck trying to get to Russell. First off I don't care what pass rush your talking about , they need a couple of seconds to get there. NOw you know because Russell has mobility, they roll him out alot. Very accurate throwing on the run. Play Zone- good luck against Russell fastball. (its pitch and catch all day)

    Two Raiders can play a M Bush 6'1 250 at Fb, in the backfield with Mcfadden. NOt only M Bush a terrific reciever coming out of backfield, but he is a pretty big dude to chip on the defensivelineman. Raiders TE Zach miller is an excellent blocker.

    Three Raiders you can bet are going to let your Passrushers get up the field. Screen and dump offs to Mcfadden, just might go to the house. Raiders Olineman are not only big but very ahlethic. Get those blockers outside for MCfadden and look out.


    Fourth - Raiders are probably one of the few teams that will be able to run on the Jets.
    That Stretch and Cut blocking schjeme going to open some serious holes for the Raiders running backs to exploit. After about a quarter of Raiders olineman cut blocking Jets defenders at the knees. Jets defenders(worrying about their career) will quit.
     
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    ...Then why was Sam Williams even mentioned in this thread? Just another chance to jerk off another Raider I guess?

    1. Rob Ryan = 1 coach.

    2. The grammar and spelling in your posts are borderline retarded.

    3. The rest of your coaching staff sucks, even if I kind of like Kiffin.

    4. Bill Callahan =/ our head coach.

    No I already know how it goes:

    Kiffin = Coached on some of the greatest college football teams of all time. Handpicked by the great Al Davis. A prodigy at the HC position. Theres a good chance he'll revolutionize the way things are done in the NFL. The next Bill Walsh.

    Mangini = n00b.

    Rob Ryan - I won't do anything to Rob cause I think he's the shit.

    Sutton - A dummy dumb dumb who couldn't crack the Raiders practice coaching squad...similar to the rest of our coaching staff but older.

    Knapp - Yet another great Raiders coach.

    Schott - A bust who has no idea how to coach or run an offense. In way over his head. Has the potential to be a decent ball boy on the coaching staff of the Raiders if he wanted.

    Gibbs - Pure genius. His zone blocking scheme is why the Raiders had the 6th rushing attack in the NFL...and we know how much that meant last year.

    Callahan - Crappy former HC for the Raiders...therefore bad O-line coach for the Jets.

    You guys win man. Everytime.
     
  7. German Jets Fan

    German Jets Fan 2007 TGG.com Rookie of the Year Award Winner

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    He still needs to prove that he really can do it in the NFL.

    You guys had a good receiveing-FB, a very fast RB and Miller last year, and your offense sucked badly...

    I can?t remember seeing any LB ever playing the Screen better than Harris. he?s there before any Blocker can get out ther 80% of the time. Noone really tried it anymore the 2nd half of the season, when a very bad team like the Dolphins nearly killed us with screens early on.

    wow, they teach them seriously to go for their Knees? You guys better get used to 1st and 25.



    1, 2 Freddy's coming for you 3, 4 he's knocking at your door 5, 6 grab your crucifix 7, 8 stay up late 9, 10 never sleep again.
     
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  8. FOURTHANDLONG

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    I think Bush and McFadden will be the real deal but you have to see them play for at least a year before you know what they can do. I think Bush is going to be a big time sleeper. All this stuff that you anticipate the Raiders doing sounds nice in Theory but who knows what will happen when we play.
     
  9. Raiderjoe

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    Mangini has never been a good defensive coordinator , or has his defenses every ranked high enough for him to get that reputation.

    Little Marty after his first year , was in high demand around the league.( Jets supprised with 5 win talent) He lost alot of his luster this past year. (those gimmicks don't work so well ,after teams geta feel for them) Why Bring in Callahan , if its not a wake up call to Little Marty.

    NOw on to Kiffin. Kiffin did a great job last year. Won't find anyone in the league that says otherwise. First he took a team that won two games, and doubled there wins. HE took one of the worst offense in 2006, to the sixth best team rushing the football. Raiders couldn't win a game in their division for sometime. YEt outside of Chargers, Raiders beat everyone of their divisonal rivals, the second time around( thats coaching)

    You can't blame Kiffin for the passing problems. First they didn't have the Qb(didn't get consistant play) , their tackles weren't the best pass blockers, and they had no playmakes on offense.

    Only thing that looks to bew a question is the tackles in pass protection. Even thats not really as big a concern, as everything Raiders do on offense, will revolve around the run.
    The running game going to set up the passing offense.


    NOw why was Kiffin on the way out. Basically for looking at college jobs, after Al davis gave you your first break in coaching at the age of 31 (slap in his face)
    Even this situation has probably taught Kiffin a valuable lesson. HEs probably better for it. Kiffin so popular with Raider fans, that alot would rather AL Davis leave beforte he would. AT 32 Kiffin going to be a great headcoach.

    GO ahead lkook at the rest of your coaches. Tell me where your better. ou probably were way better at spoecial teams but that coach is gone.
     
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    You're actually going to try and sell us on the guy being some sort of genius because he took a 2-win team and made them a 4-win team?
     
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    Thanks for hijacking another thread. This is a thread about Gholston!
     
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    :lol: Keep it coming....this stuff is hilarious.
     
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    :rofl::rofl:...c'mon, how hard is it to "double" a 2-win output?

    I think Kiffin has a future coaching in the NFL, but not with the micromanaging Davis at the helm.

    As far as comparing him to Mangenius, you have no legs to stand on. You really can't compare overall effectiveness at least until after this season, but the fact is that Mangini's inaugural season pwns Kiffin's with a much less talented roster (somthing you've admitted to in a myriad of posts).
     
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    NO its not just the wins . Here was Kiffin reason why he wanted to fire Rob RYan. His offense was one of the better teams running the football(Had very high Time of Possessin)

    You take a team that can consistantly move the ball on the ground+ a dominate defense= any you should at worse be battling for a playoff spot.

    Kiffin didn't get that dominating defense .(thats why they really addressed this area)

    Raiders had the leads in most of their games in the fourth quarter , just that their defense couldn't protect it. (injuries and some guys not performing)

    You compare Raiders offense from 2006 to 2007, and its light years better.
     
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