We would be very naive to think Eric didn't know about this. I mean if they taped offensive signals....the defense had to be in on it right?
Scruggy.. You just made my point .. Your top guy was there, he was Bill's right hand man.. I am not suggesting anything that he has done with the Jets..
Mangini leaving the organization just shows me he had the ethics to do so. While Bellicheat bitched and moaned about his departure. Furthermore, Bellicheat is an infidel -- cheat on your wife? How can you expect anyone like that to have any sense of ethics at the workplace. The Patriots are your team, Bellicheat is making a mockery of your team.
dude wasnt mangini the one who turned belicheat in??????? Obviously he thought it was wrong if he didnt adopt it on his team and turn the Pats in for it.
Why didn't he turn him in back in 2000? We all know Belli was "cheating" since 2000 ... I am not questioning Mangini's methods, beliefs, and what not.. I'm very interested to see what you, the jets fan's take is on this.. Mangini did benefit from those 3 lombardi's ..
What I honestly feel, now that most of my anger has dissipated, is pity. I know how it feels to love a team. So I can honestly empathize with lots of NE fans. I pity those fans who are hopefully emerging from the bowels of denial, and are beginning to see what Bellicheat is -- Bad for your team. As long as he is there, The Patriots are worthless. They brought in Dom Capers for a reason. Maybe your front office is surfacing from denial as well.
This crap right here is what I wanted to avoid in this discussion ... All I am looking for is what the Jets fan's take on Mangini being involved with the Pats all those years when this was going on .. Stick to the script Scruggy..
Sorry for the improv*. I think Mangini was too busy coaching, and trying not to fuck up -- much like any young coach would be in this league. If he did know anything about the cheating -- blowing the whistle would have been career suicide. It's obvious that Mangini didn't subscribe to those methods of cheating, since he doesn't employ them with NY. That may sound specious, but I base that upon the fact that Mangini is not a convicted cheater. *I'm a method poster, if the thread calls for me to be intoxicated -- I don't act drunk, I get drunk.
See, this it the whole Patriots fan mindset for this. Get off the whole 'rat' schtick and realize when the Patriots got caught cheating last season, it was because the Jets were protecting their interests. Mangini wasn't 'turning him in', he was stopping someone he knew was cheating from cheating against his team.
So you need every member on the board to stop by and say the exact god damn thing that's already been said in this thread, something that anyone with a 3rd grade education would know the answer to? Employees are not accountable for the sins of their boss. Furthermore, Bellishit was busted taping defensive signals. Offensive signals go into the QB's helmet. This had ZERO impact on the Pats defense, or Eric Mangini.
Where is this coming from? Who mentioned anything about being a rat? That's fine that he turned Belli in .... Great! The point of me starting this discussion was because no one has brought this up here on this board... Mangini was on that podium 3 times getting a trophy, and in my opinion (OPINION) he had to of been a part of Belli's methods when he was in N.E. ..
I am not questioning that Einstein .. So are you saying offensive signals were not on those tapes? You might want to follow the story Kramer..
So Mangini is a cheater by proxy since he worked for Bellichick? Ummm no. Did he know what was going on at the time? Most likely... Fact is he isn't responsible nor does he have any say in what his boss' practices are. This whole thing wasn't an issue until Billy boy tried this shit with Mangini after being warned not to. Bellichick was given an ultimatum... Do what you want to anyone else but don't fuck with me. He's a cocky prick and got burned for it. If you're a Pats fan be happy the NFL covered your ass.
Tell me fucktard, what real advantage can you get by taping the offense when the play is sent into the QB's helmet?
Yes, and my point, which I think I made already, is that Mangini was protecting his team's interests. I never said the guy was some moral superhero. But unless you know his level of involvement in the cheating, you can't really expect to understand the situation you're trying to rationalize. I could say the same thing about every coach and player involved with the Patriots since 2001, but since it's all plausible deniability, you can't really go too far into the scenario. (i.e. Tom Brady, the leader of the offense, had to be HEAVILY INVOLVED IN ALL OFFENSIVE CHEATING... but where's the proof?) People are discussing facts in the other threads that are getting to you. The fact that Belichick admitted to the infraction, the fact that more evidence has surfaced and can't be immediately destroyed by the NFL to protect the league's image, the fact that the Pats and Belichick were penalized heavily. All the rest is scenarios based on evidence that we do not have. You can go on all day about Mangini's involvement and I will counter you and go on all day about the cover-up of the Rams walkthru. Neither of which either of us can prove.
I've tried .. To get a real discussion going here. .Some are open, some just can't grasp it.. I am not calling Mangini a rat, "convicted" cheater as some have said... All I am saying that he was there, that's a fact.. He got a head coaching job from being a part of those 3 bowls.. No one has brought that up, that's all ..
