Let's be real here........

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  1. FOURTHANDLONG

    FOURTHANDLONG Active Member

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    We are better than we were two years ago but so are alot of other teams. We are still not in the same league as the Pats, Chargers, Colts, Steelers or Jaguars. We will be fighting with the Titans, Bills, Broncos and Texans for the wild card spots. People are looking at our schedule and they think we have an easy 4-12 pass to the playoffs but I don't believe it. I see people assuming the Cincy, St Louis and Arizona games will be wins and the fact of the matter is those teams can score 6 or 50 points on any given sunday if they decide to show up. Seattle is no cakewalk and people were picking Sf to be very good last year. Buffalo will at least split with us as well. That talent on that team has to show up eventually. I see us going anywhere from 6-10 to 9-7. It all depends on the breaks we get throughout the year.
     
  2. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    If Clemens comes out and has a magical year like Penny did in 02 we might win 11 or 12 games? If DBrick doesn't improve and the right side of our line remains a dissaster and Faneca is not the all pro LG we think we bought we could win 4 to 6 games. We have a ton of question marks as do most NFL teams. A lot has to come together for the Jets to make the playoffs next year.
     
  3. chris66

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    Thats true Pats defense was horrible under mangini. It got much better once he was gone. Whats going to happen is the jets are going to have another crappy year Mangini going to be fired and woody is going to hire a coach that wants to play a tampa 2. new coach realizes that his defense is not geared for the tampa 2 and starts getting his own players
     
  4. Jets81

    Jets81 Well-Known Member

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    This is basically my biggest fear for the Jets. These offseason moves will either propel us in the right direction or set us back years...
     
  5. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    The Pats Defense was decimated by injuries when Mangini was running it, he had to convert Troy Brown to defense they were so thin that year.
     
  6. man2man_cover

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    I generally agree with a lot of your posts and I appreciate how well they are written. But I must say that although I agree that "worse case scenarios" exists in every facet of the team's current constitution, I must beg to differ with you on a number of things.

    Huh? I'd like to watch Peyton Manning or Tom Brady play behind last year's mockery of an Offensive Line and see how they fare. Pennington, with a stronger OL and running game, can be a more effective play-action QB than he was last year. Considering what he was able to accomplish in 2006 (with no effective running game) leads me to believe that your above-referenced statement is inaccurate.

    A more capable offense, with TJ, LW, C&C and a seam-busting/red-zone weapon like Keller plus a fortified Offensive Line, led by Pennington may just turn a few heads throughout the league.

    That's not even factoring in the possible emergence of Kellen as the winner in the QB derby from training camp. A stronger armed QB plus an offensive unit that receive a strong boost in its talent level?

    We'll see.

    Year 1: Switching from 4-3 to 3-4 and a team laden with 4-3 personnel....play-offs.

    Year 2: With an offensive unit that's incapable of sustaining drives, a 3-4 defensive unit with certain key players ill-suited for the system, spent way too much time on the field.....4-12

    Year 3: New NT with Pro-Bowl in his resume. New OLB whom Bill Parcells was actively competing with us in acquiring. Emergence of young stars in the ILB, CB and Safety positions. The drafting of an OLB considered to have the biggest upside at his position....?

    Mangini as DC in NE: Could have sworn that several key players from the SB winning unit have departed by then. Also, the unit was running so thin that they had to play WR at CB.....not what I would consider as a deep squad. Nonetheless, he presided over some pretty respectable units.


    I totally agree that Miami will be eventually evolve into the division's next potential power. That's the Parcells magic.

    But at this point, based on the off-season activity and the players picked in the draft, I believe that the Jets are ahead of both Buffalo and Miami in terms of closing the gap with NE.

    We can go on exponentially with the possibilities and suppositions regarding the Jets and the AFC East for the next couple of years. It's probably best just to say that the Jets have the potential to quietly make the play-offs this coming season. We'll worry about 2009 after the season ends.
     
  7. flgreen

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    Do we play the Giants this year?
     
  8. nevbeats319

    nevbeats319 Well-Known Member

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    im annoyed with that poll...the jets are always thrown under the bus..even when they were 10-6 two years ago
     
  9. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    we will garner respect when it is earned, until then- endure suffering.
     
  10. GreenHornet

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    Yeah, I think this is safe.

    NE hasn't fallen off that much since their 1 and only loss last year. I'll be it; the 1 loss was the best I've have seen in a long time. They deserved all of it.

    I think we have a shot at being a wildcard, but we still have to play. Granted, our new acquisitions haven't even logged any serious practice yet, that is the reason why nothing is a sure thing. I do think we accomplished about as much as one could hope for int the FA market and the draft, though.
     
  11. chris66

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    not true at all, what happen was is that bellicheck took over the def coord position half way through the season along with then linebackes coach dean pees thats when the defense started playing well. the onlt significant injury at the time was bruschi. Toy Brown had been playing db at that time for almost 2 years and he was pretty damn good at nickle corner to boot
     
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    Guys...the pigs are ripe for the slaughter.
     
  13. notjustQBs

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    It all depends on how well we dominate the line of scrimmage ...on both sides.

    To climb out of the perennial loser's position in the AFC East, this is the basic requirement facing the NYJs in my view.
     
  14. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    The Pats set a record in 05 for the most different starters because of injuries a total of 45 players were moved around in starting positions because of injuries. They started to get healthy toward the end of the season and the numbers went up.

    By the way they did a nice job in IND in the second half of the AFC finals without Mangini.
     
  15. chris66

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    they set the same record in 03 and 04 when they won the sb as well
     
  16. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    I don't think so and certainly not in the secondary on D.
     
  17. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    We have a proven QB, he had his FIRST bad healthy year last year but w/ all the upgrades around him we'll be fine at QB.

    The Pats D had a million injuuries in '05 and I think Bruschi was out that year or showed up late b/c of the health problems. It's unfair to blame Mangini, Crennell's D's in Cle haven't been good while at least in the 2ns half of each year mangini's D's have been good and we now have most of thempieces we need.

    The dolphins have competent people running their team? Parcells is a mediocre at best GM, he turned around the Giants, Pats, Jets and Cowboys as a HC NOT as a GM and luckily for us he's not coaching.
     
  18. Scruggy

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    If rooting for your favorite team to win their division and make the playoffs is considered lame -- then I guess I'm just a big lame.
     
  19. chris66

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    randall gay and hank poteat were starting cb's against philly in the sb, pats had something like 43 different starters in 04
     
  20. FOURTHANDLONG

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    What is our proven Qb's lifetime record?
     

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