Lord help the franchise if the Jets (Tannebaum/Mangini) pass on McFadden because of Leon Washington, Thomas Jones or Jesse (freakin') Chatman. NYFD better be on alert if this happens, because the Jet fans may attempt to burn down Radio City.
Most of the on line polls on Jets' sites I have seen, the fans are pretty well split 60-40 on not taking McFadden. One thing you can be sure of no matter who the Jets take, there will be booing
I was talking about the scenario mentioned in the "article" with the Jets passing on McFadden to "reach" for McKelvin. In my opinion, the only way it makes sense to pass on McFadden (if he is available) is if the Jets draft one of the following: Ryan (b/c Clemmens isn't the answer), Dorey/Ellis (b/c the Jets are certain they can play a 3-4 end position) or Jake Long (b/c the Jets can figure out somewhere to play him or D'Brick)
I don't think rb is a need for the team this year, but if we do take a rb at # 1 i think jonathan stewart would be a better pick. 1) more durable 2) better blocker 3) runs better patterns and has better hands. IMO. 1) leodis Mckelvin cb 2) xavier adibi Ilb 4) limas sweed or keenon burton wr 4) brian johnston de 6) marcus howard Ilb 7) best available dt
to get better at this, go look at a mock draft for clues... KcKelvin at 6 is a reach and a half- i'd rather take Rivers who is a better prospect Adibi in our system, unless you want him to play safety in run-only sub packages, will not work as a LB in the 3-4. Sweed dropping all the way to the 4th is retarded, but i'll give you the very beginning of the 3rd. Oh wait, we don't pick then. Merling at pick #110, only if every GM dies during the draft and Tanny is the only one breathing. The rest are fine...
The RBs are empowered by the OL. This means that if the OL is ineffective, any gains the RBs get are miraculous indications of their talents. Last year Leon, Thomas, and Jesse often made "something out of nothing" behind rotten OLs. These are more than competent RBs -- and that's competent in the NFL, not at University of Arkansas (different worlds). The NYJ RBs are ready to play here and now, they don't have to learn about the speed of the NFL, and they don't have to develop the patience to take advantage of their particular OL's blocking in the NFL. If the NYJ CS and FO are successful in rebuilding the NYJ OL, then the current crop of NYJ RBs deserve the right to ply their craft behind a COMPETENT OL for a change. These guys have paid their dues already in the NFL. Because they have not been able to run for 1,600 yards apiece in 07, you're ready to throw them away in their prime for a brand new rookie that you think runs fast and maybe will make it in the NFL. If we have a competent, dominant, snot-knocking OL that can maul and own the line of scrimmage play after play, then this existing stable of RBs will own the day. While the defense is wiping the blood off their face, maybe sometime we will pass the ball once in a while. But most of the time, we should whip them on that line of scrimmage until they don't want any more. Then we will seize some respect, and perhaps win the chance to keep it.
It doesn't matter about his walking capability on the 26th of April -- we don't start playing for a while.
How can I say this.... With our deficiencies at QB/in the passing game, we need the running game to be more than competent. I like Thomas Jones and Washington. And, hopefully Chatman can be good goal line back, but McFadden adds another dimension that is needed given the less-than-stellar choices the Jets have under center.
i am sure we can discuss the domino effect all day when we blame the qbs, rbs, wrs for lack of production because our ol is bad. i don't buy it at all, you can run a hb sweep all day and see how much ol is needed. we hold accountable our beloved chad for his lack of production, but we fail to mention how bad the ol was. t jones is exceptional in his own way and leon's a keeper but i can say leons a playmaker over jones and like blairthomas #1 says, mcfadden ads a new dimension to our backfield. if our offense responds well, our defense will step up to the plate regardless of the talent we have.
Quote: "...With our deficiencies at QB/in the passing game, we need the running game to be more than competent. ..." I believe this assumes that the QBs are bad -- I don't think you can say that from 07 or 06 because the OLs in both situations were below standards. Unless you are willing to give these QBs a real opportunity to show their stuff behind a dominating OL, you can't judge their performance accurately whatsoever, in my opinion.
Many Jet fans, on the other hand , would be thrilled. Almost every Jet fan I know that I talk to in person wants no part of McFadden.
If the Jets don't take McFadden because they are looking to fill another need, so be it. If they pass on him because of Thomas Jones, who is a below average starting running back, then it's an absolute joke.
Ahh...yes...the David Carr defense. At the risk of derailing the thread... The Jets know Chad's ceiling. A guy who won't (until last season) lose you any games, but probably won't win you any either. The Jets don't know Kellen's ceiling, but the early returns on his performance aren't all that good. So, my point was that either way, you need an exceptional running game if either of the guys line-up under center. Chad because of his limitations and Kellen because based on his play last season (and I am willing to give him this season to see what he could be) he will need a quantum leap to become an above average QB in 2008. So, again, either way, I think the Jets are looking at average QB play at best in 2008. (Since QB is the most important position on the field, I could see the 2008 Jets ending up with anywhere from 5 to 10 wins.)
I don't think the issue has anything to do with David Carr. David NEVER had a chance as a Houston Texan -- from the beginning he was beaten to death more often than any other QB in the NFL. That is not what has happened to the NYJ QBs. However, as we run a play action focused offense -- there has to be balance if the QB's passing is going to show up. Without a dominating OL that can enforce the sustained success of the running game, passing is desperation. Our OL did not allow the offense of choice to be run with any success. The defense also took a long time to stop the run. Ergo 4-12, "Bad" QBs, "mediocre" TJ, etc. etc. etc. BS doesn't run a STAR oriented offensive strategy. He runs a mis-direction balanced offense. BS needs an dominating OL to make his offensive strategy work. This is the primary reason why we are having an open QB competition behind a completely rebuilt OL this coming off season, in my opinion.
