The Jets Apparently won't draft Matt Ryan, even with a gun to their heads

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  1. Jetzz

    Jetzz Active Member

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    With the overhauled line I expect this to change this year... whoever is QB, they should have more time to let the play develop. When we control the LoS and establish the run I think everyone will be surprised how much better the play calling will look, and how much better decision making will be.
     
  2. gustoonarmy

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    Well thats one way of looking at it. I EXPECT the play calling and QB execution to be spot on, anything else just won't do.
    We have on paper a very good Oline, If KC can't do it, bye-bye.
     
  3. FOURTHANDLONG

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    Glad to see you back. Chad is to slow to catch a cat!
     
  4. fenwyr

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    Totally disagree.

    This team is built to make the playoffs and be competitive this year. It's built to win it all in 2-3 years, based on Faneca's potential lifespan.
     
  5. fenwyr

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    Any questions?

    Seriously, look at the poise, the ability to go through his progression, pocket presence, accuracy on the run... All the tools.
     
  6. notjustQBs

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    I think that the NYJ team makeup is far from being completed. There are a lot of guys on the roster that may be gone -- especially after the draft and after stray FA pick-ups over the summer leading up to the start of the season.

    The CS is apparently intent on fostering a fierce competition at as many positions as possible (not just for the starting position but also for the backups). This is the context for their coaching to bring the best out of the eventual 53 man roster they end up with.

    The current roster will hopefully be determined to win, as will the new additions. The better the competitions the better the team.

    I don't think prognosticating on the performance of this 'unfinished canvas' is profitable on 17 April.
     
  7. notjustQBs

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    When there is a choice of strategy, either of which the defense is forced to respect, then the defense will have to guess and that's how the NYJ can take advantage of them.

    Whether it's the run or the pass makes no difference -- just that it's not the alternative that the defense has bet on.
     
  8. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    The playcalling will look like 06, when Schotty was the next Al Saunders. The line can do that for us. I didn't portray my thought correctly in that post. I meant that Brady checks down to his 3rd or 4th option due to his top 3 being covered by zones schemes, allowing a guy like Kevin Faulk to be wide open for 8 yards. The Jets doing a dink and dunk is the #1 receiving option running a maximum of 8 yards, with the 3rd and 4th options doing less. We won't have the same success, the personnel is too different and the talent gap is too wide.
     
  9. NDmick

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    all good points, but i have another thing to add on to that:

    Why make one big run at the playoffs in 2-3 years? I don't get the benefit of building up a team for the major push for a SB win, and then what- same ol Jets? Who are we the Florida Marlins?

    I'd like a sustained team of consistent, talented players who can reach the playoffs on a consistent basis- 6-7 years each decade... The Steelers have been doing it since their inception, Cowboys have been doing it minus the 80's (even without a playoff win in 11 years, they've made it 8 times in that span)... I'd like the same deal- looking back at a decade- we made the playoffs the majority of the time. It would then warrant respect for the franchise.
     
  10. Jets81

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    I'm with you on that one, but I'd honestly take a fluke Super Bowl win and be just as happy with it.
     
  11. NDmick

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    :lol:

    Yes i would love the BS "how the hell did they win it?" SB, but i really want this team to be a contender in january alot, that way i have more of a reason to watch the playoffs.
     
  12. notjustQBs

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    Quote: "...We won't have the same success, the personnel is too different and the talent gap is too wide...."

    If I were to compare Leon Washington with Kevin Faulk here, I would have to disagree with you.
     
  13. NDmick

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    i meant more in terms of the Randy Moss, Welker, and Trench Players.

    LW>Faulk.
     
  14. mr nyjet

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    given that qb is the worst position on offense now in terms of depth, you don't pass up a potential franchise qb if he's there. it's up to tangini to figure out how many guys like ryan, flacco, brohm, etc are there.

    extra picks from trades can be used to move up to get a guy you want, whether late first or second rounds.:jets:
     
  15. SettlerDawg

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    Yeah. Did you watch that game? Ryan was horrible the entire game until he made that last throw for the touchdown. Brohm is a much better qb.
     
  16. NDmick

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    So one game= bad QB? Thats like saying Gholston is garbage due to the LSU game...

    Ryan did do bad in that game, yet led his team to the win at the end- thats the point. What QB can have icewater in his veins in the 4th qtr and make the comeback or GW drive? That QB gets you far in the playoffs.
     
  17. MobiusOne28

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    Now I do really like Ryan but I'm just going to play devil's advocate here and remind you of Clemens' game in Baltimore this past year. Would've been the exact same case if it weren't for Crappy McCraphands.

    Now Mangini has a better idea of whether or not Clemens has the stuff to be our QB due to seeing him infinitely more in practice, but I like the flashes that I've seen. That being said, if we take Ryan I'll trust Mangini enough to have just not seen enough from Clemens in other areas to warrant putting our franchise in his hands.
     
  18. Don

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    That's a nice thought but it rarely happens in the NFL. When it does it's the exception. If you are really, really good you might get a 4-5 year run like the Pats have had now but even that seems ready to crumble. Indy has had a good run for awhile too. In bth cases it is pretty much based on 1 player, the QB. So, the chances of many teams ever getting there is pretty slim.
     
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  19. gustoonarmy

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    Clems games in Baltimore; result , loss. Regardless of McCraphands. Could Clem lead, not one but two 2 minute drills?? I don't think so.
    In reference to a post ^^^, The whole game was horrible, it was a make or break time for VT and BC, with possibly Ryan topping the Heisman rankings.
    Fact is, win. If it means winning ugly, I'll take that too.
     
  20. red75bronco

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    But this is why everyone like Clemens. He was bad all game against Baltimore except for half a quarter.
     

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