Of course a team can win when it drafts a QB...they just have to have a dominating defense, and an overwhelming running game, and the QB has to be smart enough not to try to do what he can't (which in the case of BR was a lot that first year).
I am looking forward to seeing just how well the rebuilt OL does in the running game and protecting the passer this year. There are a lot of questions that some of the guys on this "Message Board" think are 'foregone conclusions' that need to be answered. There is a world of difference between a QB who has time and a running game, and a QB who has to run for his life all the time because the running game was stopped flat back in the first quarter. Of course no matter what it's always his fault...
I think what he meant was that it takes a few years to develop a QB. But what surprises me is that you're comparing Matt Ryan to Peyton Manning and Big Ben. Are you serious? There are no Peyton Manning's in this draft...BY FAR!!! And the closest comparison I have heard of Big Ben was Flacco who is tough and extremely eluding when defenses try to bring him down (whether that will remain the same in the NFL and their elite group of rushers is yet to be seen). Either way I just don't see why we should take Matt Ryan in the 1st round with our 6th pick when there's good talent in the 2nd rd, if, we decide to draft another QB?
No idea. I can tell you his lifetime completion percentage is either #1 or #2 in NFL history though and #2 again last year to Brady. That's why he is still around. Those 4 yard passes can still add up to first downs.
Go look up his lifetime record and get back to me. Passer rating is the most useless stat in NFL History. It will tell you Chad is better than 90% of the Qb's in the Hall of fame. Touchdowns and moving the chains is what counts. Not checking down with a two yard pass on third and ten!
I have no desire at all to look it up, you can seeing as you are fixated on it. However, when you are comparing Pennington to Clemens you have to consider completion percentage as Clemens was the worst in the league. If you don't think that is why there is a competition this year then think again. Obviously somebody thinks it's important or they wouldn't keep the stat to begin with.
You also have to look at the games in which Wallace Wright and Brad Smith were Clemens targets and you are forgetting that Clemens was 3-4 as a first time starter behind that line and chad was 1-8. If you watch the Nfl shows they kill that stat. They used Chad as a classic example of how you can get a mediocre Qb like that and try to say he is better than Terry Bradshaw or Dan Fouts. It is the most stupid stat in Football. Touchdowns and Yardage win games not 2 yard check downs.
I don't understand why people don't get this. If the FO thinks Kellen is the guy, you simply trade/cut Chad and hand him the keys. Don't tell me this crap about confidence and all this other crap. Rivers played 1 or 2 games and then the Chargers quickly got rid of Brees at the end of the season and went with Rivers because they were committed to him. Unless Chad is traded/cut, the Jets will have to draft a QB high.
How many TD's were scored with Clemens? I can tell you, 9 in 88 drives. Chad scored 11 in 81 drives. The increased scoring by Clemens was Field goals. Also, Clemens has 0 passing TD's in the last 2 minutes of halves. If you think Chad sucks, which he is probably average, then you have to think Clemens sucks and the Jets need to draft a QB.
And they won't do that without an experienced backup which they don't have at the moment. Even if they draft a QB both Clemens and Pennington will remain for this year.
Drew Brees was an URF when he signed with the Saints, and Clemens isn't getting the amount of money as 1st round pick like Rivers was. So, that move made ALL the sense in the world.
I am a huge supporter of Chad but I know he's not the answer at qb. But neither is Clemens, and Chad at this point is better than Clemens. Dont use the O-line excuse for clemens, because Chad had the same o-line. Dont use the arm strength excuse, since I dont care if clemens can throw the ball 60 yards but is so innacurate its not even funny. Dont use the Chad got us as far as he could excuse, since the jets losing playoff games was due to Chad AND other players not playing well, since those teams didnt have 53 Chad Pennington's. And dont use the excuse that Clemens looked terrible b/c hes inexperienced so we should give him another shot. He showed major regression last year as the season went on. Jut because someome had a bad team around him doesnt excuse Clemens to play as crappy as he did. If the Jets put me in as qb next year, and I threw int after int but our team was bad, would you say "he was on bad team, give him some more time?"
but i think the difference is Chad is average (or below?) after 7 years. Clemens still has time to learn and improve. he hasn't even started a full season yet.
Once again, Clemens was 3-4 in his first time starting with worse garbage to throw to than Chad with the same offensive line. Common sense would lead me to believe that a rookie that can go 3-4 should benefit from and improved offensive line. We should Draft a Qb this year in the later rounds no matter who starts. You can pull up every stat you want at the end of the day the record is the one that counts. Vince Young's stat line is horrible. At the end of the day he wins. What is Chads Lifetime W-L record as a starter?
Who had a better record with that bad team last year? Chad or Kellen? Remember Kellen was throwing to Brad Smith and Wallace wright alot more than Chad was.
Just about every thread here at some point becomes a Pennington vs. Clemens thread and it really doesn't matter what anybody here thinks at all. The only thing that matters is what Mangini and Tannenbaum think and they will answer that question on draft weekend. If they draft a QB then they are telling you loud and clear that they don't think Clemens is the future QB of this team. Why don't we all wait and see what they do?
Clemens would've probably had 10 TD's in 88 drives had McFuck not dropped those passes in the Baltimore game. Does that number make you feel a little better? Not to mention it would've given him a Comeback game under his belt. He also could've had 1 score under 2 mins had...AGAIN...McFuck made that catch in the endzone which led to the game-losing interception.
Hopefully Chad is traded or cut and a vet is brought in or we draft a QB early and Chad starts this year. Both are much better scenario's than having a QB competition when we are trying to bring at least 4 maybe 5 or 6 new starters up to speed before the season.
I am trying to keep up with you here. I thought TD's and yards were the only ones that were important. So look at wins losses, I think Chad is over or at .500 and Kellen is .375 in games he started.
