I was watching the Path to the Draft show this morning on NFL Network and they had a conversation about the Jets, and who they are most likely taking in the draft. The majority of the time they were talking about how The Jets need Matt Ryan, and how Clements doesn't have a good arm and cant pass to the sidelines. They all said that Clements is not a Franchise QB. WTF? He only started 8 games. They were saying how Ryan was going to be a savior and be a great player for this franchise. What about Gholston? They had the jets taking DMC, but they think the Jets will get ryan if available.
On paper, this team could be a quarterback and a playmaking receiver (or runningback) on offense from being very good. If a national guy looks at the team, sees Kellen's numbers, and says we have a massive hole at quarterback, I can't really blame him if the guy thinks Ryan is that good. I personally don't think he'll ever be a star, but he could be a good starter.
I don't know what they are thinking, but I absolutely do not want either Matt Ryan or Darren McFadden with our #6 pick. Actually, those are probably the only 2 picks that would really upset me. We absolutely do not need a RB, and while our QB position may not be solidified yet, we have to give kellen his year. No more rookie qb's, they take too long to develop and there is no way we can win a championship in 08 with matt ryan at QB, IMO. Therefore, take Vernon Gholston, if he is not available, take Leodis McKelvin. I want an elite defense. Only way we take someone else besides these 2 is if one of the long's are still available.
Yeah I saw that too and they went on and on about Clemens not having an "outdoor arm."(?) They kept saying Ryan is a much better fit for the jets since he played outdoors at Boston College (?) Made no sense at all to me. If the jets pick Ryan it is a huge mistake--Clemens deserves a full season with a real OL,
A load of crap. In the 4th quarter alone of the Ravens game, Clemens shows that he possesses good accuracy and the ability to complete a pass on the sidelines. At 2:30 in the video, he sends one down the sideline to Coles. On the other three plays, it was just the inability to catch the ball. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogqK5YbOzdg[/youtube]
He doesn't throw with touch. Listen... I have nothing against Clemens, but he was hardly better than Penny in 2007. Regardless of the OL and the WR drops, we went 4-12.
.......and thats about it, isn't it? One qtr of play doesn'y make a good QB. He was actually worse than CP last year. I find looking for upside with KC, painfull and useless
How can you say we don't need a RB? Granted, we wasted a high 2nd round pick and a lot of money on what we got but what did we get? Somebody who managed 1 TD over 16 games and I don't care how bad our OL was. (Leon Washington managed 3 on 1/5 the number of carries.) If they were all high schoolers he should have done better that 1 TD. What he showed is that he is too slow to run away from anybody, too weak to run over anybody and doesn't have the quickness to hit a hole before it closes.
If Ryan was there, and we took him, I wouldn't exactley be thrilled , but IMO he would be the one with the most upside. CP is done and KC will be nothing more than an average back up, if he can learn the simplified play book
Touch passes are something that it takes a QB a while to learn (traditionally) in the NFL, because the speed of the NFL game is so much different than the college game. That's something that got us spoiled with early with Chad, because you don't often see a young QB come in and touch it over intermediate coverage and still put the receiver in position to make a play, which was a trademark of 2002 Chad Pennington... and I think it's a testament to Chad's intelligence and flexibility, and also to Hackett's ability to tutor a young QB. However, I think it's something that Hackett saw Chad had to learn immediately, because of his lack of a rifle for an arm. Touch is something that a QB with a less than stellar arm has to learn early or will sink fast. Clemens, unless he is a complete idiot, should be able to adjust his touch to game speed after playing a full offseason with the first team and be able to begin the season as starter if Chad doesn't beat him out for the job. You can say that Clemens was not better than Chad in 07, but he was a second year guy coming in behind a nothing O-line and came out with initial poise if he did eventually lose that poise. I was ecstatic after the Ravens game because I thought we would see more of the same. However, Clemens collapsed under the same pressure that Pennington did, and it's hard to know where either of them stand at this point. But the truth is, if Clemens can pull it together, he has far better physical tools to help us win.
Clemens has had all winter to adjust his throws. He has a legitimate shot to win the job this summer. However, if he doesn't win it with all of the problems Pennington has then expect to see Clemens riding off into the sunset after this year is over. At least as far as ever being a starter for the Jets is concerned.
It did not quite go down the way you are reporting it. I saw it too. Lombardi was in error about CLEMENS. It was arm strength he was referring to; not accuracy! And he apparently menat to say it for PENNINGTON! The other commentator rapidly straightened out LOMBARDI by saying it was PENNINGTON that could not throw "outsidethe numbers". We all know that cLEMENS DOES HAVE MUCH SUPERIOR ARM STRENGTH TO pENNINGTON.
I think that if Clemens doesn't win the job, we will be with Penny for one season and then next season we'll trade/draft for the franchise starter. I don't think Clemens will ride off into the sunset, however. I think he will be the backup in such a case. Teams don't historically cut ties with a high drafted QB so quickly.
I would not be against selecting Matt Ryan personally, but I don't see it happening. Unless the Jets have a huge boner for the guy, they won't/shouldn't pass on Gholston or DMC. If a scenario folds out where DMC and Gholston are BOTH gone, then by all means, PLEASE take Matt Ryan. San Diego had a pretty good situation and Cleveland's situation isn't complete yet, but having two QB's wouldn't be a bad thing at all. San Diego spent the first overall pick in the 2nd round for Drew Brees. Then a couple of years later spent that top 10 pick on a QB. I wouldn't mind having two QB's with talent on this team. No sir.
Agreed. I see big things happening this year with Clemens. And now that he'll get the time to throw downfield and not have to worry too much about the line crumbling before him, he'll also get to show he belongs as a starter in the NFL. We owe him at least another chance of proving it
And what did we see from pennington. All i saw was a guy with a dead arm that threw so many pick six's it made me sick. He threw so many games it was ridiculous. You say clemens can't throw to the sideline, but you think chad can!?!?! That is ridiculous. I can't remember how many times chad has thrown a duck to the sideline only to see it become an easy pick. And we can't forget how he gets his receivers absolutely murdered. It seems that every game chad plays, he gets his receivers killed by throwing a lob and leading them into a defender. The fact that coles is still playing with the hits he takes cuz of chad is astounding. As for Ryan, it think that would be a horrible pick. If the big four are gone and the jets can't trade down i think they have to take sedrick ellis. He's a big D-Lineman who i think will be able to play 3-4 DL, which is still a weakness on this team!! The addition of Jenkins did not completely solve the D-Line. And Ryan would be an absolutely abysmal pick if either the longs, gholston or D-mac are there. As much as people don't want d-mac because we don't "need" a running back, imagine what kind of impact he can make. He is a major home-run threat, something the jet's don't have. Even if the jets don't need a runningback they need a home-run threat, regardless of position.
After seeing through the smokescreen aka the media, I think the Jets' situation as of today is: -Kellen is opening day starter. He had 8 games to prove himself. Not a good audition. Yet any QB, even the worst like Kyle Boller, etc, has been given AT LEAST 1 full yr as the starter to show if they got it. I can't even believe people are already giving up hope on Clemens. That's a defeatist attitude at best. This shouldn't even be an issue going into camp IMO. We have to see if he's the guy or not. We know Chad is just a stopgap to this large wound. Been great for us but not leading us deep anywhere. -2nd and more important regarding the draft is our #1 pick. I'm happy with Gholston or McFadden. Gholston seems to fill a bigger need and we haven't had a great D since...well a long long time. He could be the missing link to building a great young D. -DMC gives us a home run threat at RB that we haven't had....ever. Yet I think TJ will be much better this year with the improved Line. The running game could be a strength of this team this yr. If Gholston or DMC aren't on the board, then take the best D player available. Build a great D and we go from there.
with woody, and faneca being on the wrong side of 30, and all the $ invested in signing them, there's no way we pick ryan with the thought of him being our qb, to make a run with this unit.for this reason, like it or not, i believe pennington is going to be our opening day starter.
