Why would Jerry Jones say he wouldn't make the deal to trade up? LEVERAGE! If everyone knew he wanted DMC then the screws get turned up...maybe both #1's and Barber?
How do you trade Barber without a contract or Physical? I don't think you can get that done in under 10 minutes. (And by the way, if they could I would take that deal in a second)
Possible scenario is the Bucs offer up 1st round, 20th overall plus a third and next years first for Jets 1st. The Bucs need a feature back with Williams injury problems and they may feel with the addition of DMC thier #1 next year will be in the #28-30 range if not higher.
why do people assume we are gonna waste a pick on a QB...we got a qb two years ago...he started for the first time this year with no talent around him....if he still sucks this year then grab a qb in a year or two...but if kellen improves a lot...guarantee the haters will be obsessed with him...im just saying, he never got a fair chance...he has no talent... we now have a legit oline on paper and hopefully during the season we've seen tom brady play shitty when his oline sucks... we've seen peyton manning blow chunks when his OLINE sucks give Kellen a fair shot...i HIGHLY doubt we waste a pick on a QB when we could grab another skill position this is just my honest opinion i just think its bull shit all the hate KC is getting
Not close to fair value for the #6. Edit: Well, it is close unless they go to the SB. I guess I still come back to the same question though. Who at #20 and #84 is going to help this team more that McFadden will at #6. If you can answer that question I will listen.
It takes normally 3 years to develop a QB. If they don't think he's the guy then they can't wait a year or two to pick another and it's usually impossible to get a really good QB in FA or through a trade. "Usually"
This is the scenario that is most likely for a trade down....move down to the mid first round and pick up a second this year and a first next year.
with ne picking right after us, a SMALL part of the equation is "who would ne pick that would hurt us the most"? let's say for argument that mckevin and dmac are both on the board at #6, so WE get to decide who plays FOR us and who plays AGAINST us twice a year. if we rate both players roughly equal in value playing FOR us, but rate one of them much higher in terms of the damage he would do playing AGAINST us, then that's the guy we take. being able to keep certain players out of your opponents hands is a small but important part of the overall decision, and with ne picking right after us, it'd be nice to get a good player AND screw belicheck at the same time.
If none of the big 3 (for the Jets) Long, McFadden or Golston are there then nobody will complain if they trade down. If they pass on any of them and they go to NE and become what they are projected to become there will be riots in the streets.
Correct, but due to the win now mentality in the NFL, no one wants to wait for a QB to develop, we need Brady or Manning or Palmer in the 4th season of their careers tomorrow. Manning went 3-13 in his 1st year, i would count that to an O-Line problem and no WR... sounds like a QB i know. I can't vividly remember Brady having a truly garbage O-Line, but this SB proved that he sucks when he is laying on his back and has no time to throw. I will repeat this until i get banned for repeating it.... Eli Manning and Kellen Clemens 1st years look very very similar... it counts for something. Patience.
At #20 you go CB with Cromartie or WR with Jackson. #84 you just wait to see who is available and then you have the extra #1 next year. CB or WR is a bigger need than RB at this point.
I think our defense is improved. I think our offense sucks. Yes, we have improved the OL but we have no playmakers on offense at all. Our QBs are pedestrian, our RBs are "ok" but not great, our WRs the same. Nobody on our offense scares anybody. We can't get a QB who will be of immediate help, WRs usually take at least a year to develop and only RBs can make an immediate impact. I can't see anybody who would help the offense more that McFadden if he is still there at #6. Somebody who would project fear in opposing defenses and make them plan around him.
Cleo 'fuckin' Lemon was a better QB than Clemns last year. Better completion percentage, better QB rating and all behind a worse OL with worse receivers then the Jets had. What don't you understand about the hate?
yea i see a trade here theres no need for DMC. We already have Jones. Washington, and Jesse Chatman. Carry 4 running backs? That's absurd. The cowboys or bucs will make it worth our while with at least 2 first rounders and some later picks that the Jets can use to build depth. David Harris was a 2nd rounder... im sure we can find plyaers like him to fit the 3-4 with the picks were gonna get and right now thats what we need. we need depth at reciever, o-line, and players to fit our 3-4. Were not gonna get that with the 6th overall pick but if we get a bunch of picks... we can really start to build this team up
Lemon sat for 3 years and was in the same system on the two teams he was with (SD,MIA)-- Sitting and learning helps, there is an article on ESPN.com- good read. Lemon has also completely hit his ceiling in terms of ability. He is 5 years in and is a pure backup QB who will be better than Tui and thats about it. Clemens looks up at his ceiling and goes "i hope i can reach it. i'll have to get a ladder" Didn't start a full season in his 2nd year as a pro, and faced 7 top 10 Defenses in that span. He also got hurt in one of them due to Adrien Clarke and Clarke alone. We don't know who this kid is yet. Once the media is calling for his head- then we can look for replacements, but no one in the NFL knows what Clemens has. We invested the money- let's see what he can do. Eli Manning had a 73 rating this year, Cleo Lemon a 71--rating doesn't mean shit.
I'm of two minds about this. You hear experts (e.g. GMs) talk about only a few good player available in every draft and then you hear that 2nd round picks in general actually make out better in the pros than 1st round picks. Also if you look at the make up of any team including championship teams and pro bowl teams, it amazing how many starters are not first round picks. Sometimes I can't help but think the whole thing is a crapshoot and that we should stockpile later first and second round picks in addition lower picks are alot cheaper. Would like to get other people's thoughts on this.
I guess you are planning a SB run next year otherwise a year for the WR to develop is fine. Jones ran for over 1100 yds last year behind an almost non existent line. With the much improved line and a real lead blocker it makes sense to have a wideout to strectch the field and open up even more running room. All I will say about QB is that the Ravens won it with Dilfer. If you are relying on one player to put fear into opponents what stops them from keying on that one player. Don't you think there is a reason the Lions never went anywhere even with an all world RB.
Well the odds of a later round pick of doing better than a 1st rounder is 6:1 But I think its the pressure of being a 1st rounder and perhaps the mentality of "I'm awesome I don't have to do much" that may sink in. I think most players either hit their ceiling in college or are just blossoming when they get to the NFL... it really is a crapshoot.
agreed whre was David Harris come from? He was a second rounder and fit the 3-4 as well as anyone can. I really feel like the first round is a crap shoot and the second round is where more solid players come from
