Rarely have I seen or heard a NY Beat Writer come up with such a thoughtful evaluation of the possibilities of the Jets #6 overall pick as I did yesterday viewing Tom Rock on ESPN's First Take do the Jets mock draft. Rock was put into the position to make the pick for the Jets - and with the big Dlinemen and Olinemen off the board - and the obvious choice DMC - Rock instead said that if given the opportunity - and he thought it was the perfect position for the Jets to be in considering DMC and Ryan were still on the draft board - to trade down and try and land Limas Sweed as the big WR target the Jets so obviously need - and use the other pick on a CB or LB. When pressed to make the pick - no trading available - Rock said that DMC is the obvious choice here. Either way the Jets win - and improve themselves greatly. I agree with Rock - the ultimate is the ability to leverage DMC or Ryan and drive up trade value to still land Sweed and another quality player (can you say FLACCO?) or if forced to take the obvious impace of McFadden. One thing Rock did say I do not 100% agree with is that the Jets are not in the market for a QB. If they can trade down - and get additional picks - I can see trading Pennington and drafting Flacco. Maybe Rock knows something I don't - but his anti-QB comments probably related more to Ryan being available at #6 (does anyone think Matt Ryan is that good?) rather than a later #1 or a #2 on Flacco. Anyway, it was nice to see and hear a Jets' Beat Writer come off as thoughtful and intelligent for once!
Everybody is crazy. Trade down with who? Who is going to give value for the pick or are you just as happy if the Jets get screwed again? There are 6 or maybe 7 players worthy of 1st round picks in this year's draft and we all know who we are. So we trade down and take a should be second rounder and maybe another one who probably would be a third rounder in any other draft for a blue chip player, right? Oh, and least I forget, still pay first round money to these guys that shouldn't even be there.
I've seen scenario's like this before... Trading down is the best choice, but selling the point of the choices we have are HOF and we are to pick one unless someone trades with us isn't easy. Rock is sometimes the smarter beat writer out of the bunch, but he didn't shock me here. If its DMC or Ryan, w better coach the hell out of DMC and make sure he doesn't fuck up off the field, or else he's gone in 5 years.
I was saying trade down most of the season. Now that we land in the 6th spot it is hard to know if we can get good value in a trade down situation though. I'm not sure I like this 6th spot at all. Maybe we will just end up having to wait and see what shakes loose in the first five draft day.... we might finagle some last minute trade down scenario.
If Matt Ryan is available at #6, then that really doesn't really help our situation. The Ravens may be interested, but most likely, if Ryan is still there at #6 then he'll fall down dramatically, such as Brady Quinn and Aaron Rodgers.
If we can leverage the #6 pick to take away Hardy/Sweed, Flacco, and Groves in the first 2 rounds, I would be doing backflips. Considering the other option is only 1 of those 3 and guy that just screams bust to me, that guy being DMC.
I'm with Rock on this one. I would like nothing more to trade down and get Limas Sweed, the big, tall, fast WR of the future this team needs. The ideal Dallas trade down scenario would look something like this: 1a. Sweed 1b. Groves 2. ROT 4a. QB or DB 4b. DB or QB ...problem is, Sweed may be taken higher than #22, in which case we need to trade down with someone with a higher pick and get another 2nd instead of 1st. One thing you can bet on is that if DMC is there at 6, SOMEONE will be willing to make the trade. I guarantee it!
Jerry Jones has stated flat out he will not trade his two 1st rounders to move up. (Of course he could change his mind but why make the statement to begin with unless you intend to keep that position). So then, who are you going to trade down with and what are they going to give you? Future year picks are unknown at best. A team you trade with may go to the SB next year so that 1st rounder is now the 31st or 32nd pick. That's why GMs don't value them the same. Everybody loves to say trade down but it's just not that easy to do without getting screwed in a draft like this one.
You think there are only 7 players worthy of a first round pick but no one in there right mind would be willing to trade up for one of them? Which is it?
It's exactly what I said it was. Everybody would love to trade up and screw you 10 different ways in the process. Nobody has the picks to move up but Dallas and they won't do it. So you obviously are of the mindset that it's better to move down anyway, right? Sure sounds that way.
Instead of everybody on this board just saying trade down, how about proposing detailed traded of who we trade down with and for what and when we do it. Make some sense of it for once.
A team at #10 or so could package a couple of picks to move up, couldn't they? Yeah, I would prefer to trade down and pickup Sweed, etc. I don't care for a RB in the top 10 and the questions about Gholston are starting to worry me. I'm not a big draft guy so I don't know a whole lot about the talent coming out, but I've heard a number of people who seem to know there shit talk about how strong this draft is in the 2nd-3rd rounds. That makes me surprised to hear someone say how weak it is. edit: When I say "I don't care for a RB in the top 10 ..." I mean that I generally disagree with picking that position in the top 10 given the shift to 2-back systems and the average lifespan of a RB in the league.
i'd rather trade down this year to get a guy like Limas sweed or Rodgers-Cromartie, for a first next year than hang out at #6 to pick a guy we either don't need/want or isnt a good fit for our system. Besides getting first round picks in future drafts seems to have worked out well for other teams like the Pats.
I wouldn't count Dallas out until we know McFadden is taken before our pick. Jerry Jones is an Arkansas alum and he covets Mcfadden more than anything...
I don't think this is a situation where you need to outline a specific trade, because there isn't one specific player further down the draft who could help us... we could draft someone at QB, HB, WR, LB, and CB in the first 2 rounds and they could potentially make an immediate impact (with HB I'm referring to McFadden, IF the Jets go that route). In my opinion, the Jets would be better served acquiring an extra draft pick, whether its a late first or a mid 2nd, while moving down and selecting a lower rated talent, then they would be if they were to stay put and make the BPA. Personally, I wouldn't mind trading down with someone and getting Sweed, McKelvin, Rogers-Cromartie, Flacco, Hardy, etc etc... With an extra 2nd round pick the Jets could have more opportunities to pickup quality players. The fact is the Jets are not a Darren McFadden or a Vernon Gholston away from being a Super Bowl team, so I think any move down is better than staying put.
Exactly...anything he has said regarding DMC is pure FO-speak and cannot be taken as any more than hot air.
The draft may be strong in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. I don't know. I know it's weak in the 1st round and if you move out of 6 you are moving to get a player that possibly wouldn't be in the first round in other years. So you are already screwed to some degree. As far as McFadden is concerned and to go along with your edit wouldn't he and Jones make a great tandem? Hell, Peterson shared the load most of the year and he was a top RB pick. I don't see that as a negative in taking a back high.
What I meant was to detail who we would trade with and what we would get in return in the way of picks for making the trade...or players if we traded the pick before the draft.
Then why even say it? What would be the point? So that nobody calls you to try and make that deal? Anybody else who may be wanting to move up is going to try like hell to do it anyway no matter what he says. I could see if there were a few other teams with two #1s and he was trying to hoodwink them but there aren't. He is the only one so everybody else is already at a disadvantage. Just makes no sense that he would say it if he didn't mean it.
The POINT Don is.. #1 nobody is CRAZY to consider that if the opportunity presents itself to make a good deal, that trading down is the best option for the Jets if the scenario is that McFadden and/or Ryan is/are available... -why would any of us want the Jets to "get screwed?" sorry partner but I don't understand your negative tone... #2 is that we need a quality WR and LB or DB as much as we need a RB or even more. Now, with the moves the team has made in the offseason so far, they can probably take a McFadden and still consider it a very strong move. But with the abundance of RB's availalble it would seem to make more sense - IF THE DEAL is availalble and makes sense for the Jets - to pick up a Sweed PLUS a late round RB or LB...in round 1...again, if there is a trading partner like Dallas or someone else willing to pony up. Just because no one else has multiple #1's right now doesn't mean someone won't pull the trigger to move up for McFadden or Ryan - it is possible...
