Then why do not advise us all why the Pats are going to the SB for the 4th time in 7 years & we have not gone ONCE in the last 7 years
Saw the Yankees win 4 WS titles. Even saw the Rangers win their first Cup in 54 years.Was there in person that night. As a Jet fan since 1981,I don't think we will ever see the Jets win a SB title. The Pats have been to 6 SB's since 1986.3 rings and soon to be 4 The Giants have been to 4 SB's since 1987. The Jets only SB appearance is nearly 40 years ago.The current group of management and coaches don't inspire much confidence
6 SB appearances for Patriots.Where have you gone Dick McPherson,Pete Carroll,that crazy Sullivan family who owned that team and Victor Kiam?
Without Werblin's boldness the Jets wouldn't exist right now. The only bold move Johnson has made to date was trying to get a valuable asset for less than fair value and he wound up being a tool of the Mayor and Governor's Olympic bid. The Jets have been as conservative in their approach to changing their fortunes as they have been on the football field. I would describe the Jets team on the field today as conservative on D and O, low risk football, low risk owner, fans taken for granted, inconvenienced and ripped off. I really do like Mangini but unless the team puts a much better staff around him and they make some bold player moves it will be the same old story.
No offense guys, but do you seriously think an owner or even a coach from 40 years ago could compete in today's NFL? I know you will say look at Pittsburgh and Rooney. But he had been very patient with Cowher and at that point his son ran that team.
For sure Wberlin gets ALL the credit for the mid 60s thru 69 NYJs. He was a showman & he was going to make the NYJs into a showcase. He was grade A+++++++++ as the managing partner & thanks to him we have the one VL trophy to display. That was to much for dear old Leon to handle so he bought SW out & the curtain closed on the the good side of the NYJs. Now the Hess era begins & the darkness of losing also begins & continues to this day even with the changing of ownership.
Last time I looked the owner and coaches didn't suit up. Marv Levy made Tanny look like the complete amateur he is. The Bills are much further along their rebuild than we are. I didn't know brain function stopped and learning stopped as you aged. Take a look around the generation that built this country is about to disappear forever and I haven't seen anything yet to make me think my generation or the next two behind me can compete with the one that's heading for the exit.
I really don't think the Bills are further along. Though I'm not a fan of Clemens I certainly think he's superior to Edwards, who showed very little. Their scheme is nearly as conservative as ours. Their pass rush is as anemic as our own. They had fewer sacks than we did, and they're heavily invested in a very mediocre offensive line. I'll agree with the second portion of your statement, but I think that's a product of the grand vision of the do-gooders of the past generation. We've merely been pawns in a horrifying social experiment in self-esteem and legislated egalitarianism. -X-
The Bills have two talented young QB's on their roster. They beat us twice with a team that was injured and when they got healthy actually won NFL games. They actually have two potential franchise QB's on their team to compete one with far more talent than either of our QB's and the other with far more poise. As far as being a pawn in some social experiment get a grip. Any social conservative who blames the past generation for holding them back because they believed in something more than themselves however misguided it may have been is completely full of shit.
Marv Levy does not own the Bills. And as far as the "generation who built this country" comment goes, that is irrelevant. What does that have to do with football? If anything, that generation put blind faith into a president who has been nothing short of horrible for 8 years.
No Marv Levy doesn't own the Bills, the owner had the brains to hire him. People who own companies are responsible for the product that's why they try and put good people in positions of authority. I was responding to your comment about the character and intelligence of people who ran this league and built it to what it is as being unable to compete in todays world. As if the conditions they survived and flourished in was easier than what exists today. Sonny Werblin in todays world would devour guys like Woody Johnson before Johnson got his pants on in the morning.
The comment you call dumb was about the NFL today. Free Agency, salary caps, and greedy agents were not a part of the NFL back then. Woody is cheap. We get it. I never questioned the intelligence or the character of past owners. The world has changed.
I never said he was cheap, clueless, weak, overmatched, he might be cheap? Greedy agents, salary cap, the Jets were just trying to make payroll every week. The owners have it absolutely made today they don't have to compete than can put a mediocre team on the field with guaranteed revenue and not worry about anything except future value and profit and that's exactly what we have done since the merger.
What do you mean "sure it was"? The Jets weren't big rivals of the Dolphins in the 1970s because the Jets sucked so bad. If anything, the Jets big rivals once they merged into the NFL were the Colts in that decade. Jets-Dolphins didn't really heat up till 1981. Everyone with knowledge of the Jets knows about the Jets-Dolphins battles of the following 20 years. But that's done. It's the Patriots now.
The Jets and Dolphins were bitter rivals for two reasons: Don Shula and Weeb Ewbank. Weeb was the greatest coach in Colt's history, winning back to back championships in 1958 and 1959. The Colts decided he was finished in 1962 and hired Don Shula to replace him. Shula made the playoffs in 1964 and 1965 and lost both years. In 1967 the Colts went 11-1-2 and failed to even make the playoffs because their division rival the Los Angeles Rams went 11-1-2 also and had the tiebreaker. There were no wildcards in those days and so Shula had to watch the "great" Green Bay Packers, who went 9-4-1 that year win their second straight Super Bowl. By 1968 Don Shula was frustrated and fed up about never winning the big one, despite having one of the best overall records in the NFL in his first 5 seasons. He had Unitas at QB and a great defense and the Colts went 13-1 and were widely considered to be one of the greatest NFL teams ever. The Colts shut out the Cleveland Browns 34-0 in the NFL championship game and stood poised to finally win it all in a defining game for Shula and for the franchise. The opponent? The man that many people still considered to be the greatest coach in Colt's history and pined for when the going got rough in the playoffs: Weeb Ewbank. The Jets were seen to be hopeless underdogs in the matchup and Shula probably came as close to popping the cork before the game as any NFL coach in history when he said he "expected a tough game out of them." That was code for "but we're going to win obviously" and people buzzed momentarily about the Colt's being over-confident going into the game. Then Joe Namath flatout guaranteed a win and the media grabbed that and ran with it, because they were uncomfortable about publicizing the Colt's over-confidence. The result is history: Weeb Ewbank got his third championship, an important number for any coach, and Shula lost another big game. Shula lasted another season in Baltimore, but despite a 71-23-4 record with the team he was allowed to leave when the Dolphins made him the offer of control of their entire football operation. The Colts made no special effort to keep him and the shadow of Weeb's accomplishments in Baltimore hung over the entire process like a heavy cloud pushing him out of town. Why the Dolphins? To beat Weeb and the Jets, which he did over and over again during the first few seasons until Weeb retired. He then dominated the division, although not necessarily the one on one matchups with the Jets, for 20 more years until his retirement in 1995. We see Jets-Dolphins as the rivalry, but it was really Weeb-Shula that kicked it off.
I'll concede this point - for those whose memory begins most vividly at 2001, the Patriots are, and may always be, the Jets' "biggest rival." That might make this a never-ending discussion. For those who do remember the Jets-Dawlpfinz rivalry at its hottest, it certainly was as heated. Moreso, even; because it went back and forth. I'd suggest - correctly - that Patriots do NOT see the Jets as their "biggest rival," and never have. A rival, for sure, but not the "biggest" - which is the point of this discussion. I'd suggest that the Patriots would see the Colts as a bigger rival every day of the week. The Jets-Pfinz rivalry does, indeed, go back to the merger. It was the Jets and their glitzy, cocksure, quarterback who brought the AFL on par with the NFL. The Pfinz then stole all that thunder. That's the crucial backdrop, and it shouldn't be dismissed for brighter memories. From the 80's forward, it WAS as hot as the Jets-Patriots ever since became. Don Shula might still like to stab Marty Lyons in the heart; and I, for my part, would like to flood Shula's fahking backyard until I see his cats floating upside down. Gamesmanship. Cheating, cheapshots, and improbable results. A small streak here. A fake spike here. Crybabies. Mouthy, no-neck Texans. I won't argue this point further because it's clear where the line breaks. Fair minds disagree, but I don't share the sentiment about who our "biggest rival" may be, and I'd say that the Patriots fans probably don't either. Mutual and equal disdain is the important missing part.
That's right, but the rivalry with the Colts was bigger in the first few years after the merger and if this rivalry thing is supposed to be static, as the other poster wrote, then how can the Jets biggest rival change multiple times before we get to the Dolphins?
