The Clemens project has been a complete failure up until now. Pennington can give us one more good year. I know awhile back I had mentioned Brian Brohm. But after reviewing some highlights of Joe Flacco from University of Delaware I can honestly say that I'm about as impressed as I possibly can be. He has the physical tools 6'5 230, he has great pocket awareness, he has great escapability and a very live arm.
Hard to say how Clemens would do behind a decent OL though. I don't want them to spend another high pick on a QB without knowing what Clemens really has. He was thrown into a horrible situation this season. No QB can succeed with an inconsistent running game and no time to throw because of a porous OL.
There's no obvious franchise QB in this draft. Even if there was, drafting him would be a mistake because the Jets have at least 2 slots on the offensive line, and maybe as many as 4 that need to be filled before he'd be able to function effectively. Drafting a mid-round QB is not a bad idea but odds are low on him being any more effective until the line is fixed and maybe another WR is brought in to flesh out the corps. At this point what we know about Clemens is that we don't know enough to make a decision yet. After we've added a decent LG and RT or RG to the line we'll be able to evaluate Clemens, and whoever else we add, much better than we can now. If there was a Drew Brees quality UFA available then signing him and trying to fill the other holes at the same time might be a real option.
Unfortunately, that is a perfectly accurate description of our current situation. I am completely unimpressed with Clemens based on what I've seen but you simply don't give up on a young QB after less than one complete season. Especially when you have much bigger holes to fill.
I agree with the other posts that we need to see Clemens operating being a decent line before we give up on him. We also have far too many other holes that need filling in this draft. I think we need to give him another year at least.
The Jets are going to sign some free agent Olineman...they simply have to. I think Stacey Andrews is a Jet for sure. He would take over for Clements. Then we would need a LG. Whether it be Faneca or Lilja or someone else.
Flacco is a big rocket armed QB who has almost all the Tools you want in a Quarterback the only thing is why give up on clemens after half a season behind a terrible O Line ? We Must give the guy another shot with atleast a decent Line.
I understand what you guys are saying, but I don't think the OL was Clemens' main problem this year. Personally, I just don't think he's that good.
If Manning proved anything yesterday is that you have to be patient with young QBs and build them team around them. This is what the Jets need to do with Kellen. That said I would not be opposed to taking a QB second day if the Jets feel that Ratliff will not develop.
Most QB's need talent around them though. Kellen really doesn't have that. He hardly played with Coles, and the other WR's kept dropping the ball like it was poisoned. Add in an ineffective OL, some questionable playcalling (running 90+% of the time from a certain formation) and I just don't see how you can already tell he's not that good. It was a less than ideal situation to put any QB in, let alone one who was starting his first games.
I've always had a good eye for QBs. I've never been sold on Clemens. Watching him play this year, I saw little to no improvement from start to finish. Yeah, the OL is piss poor, but he should have been able to do a better job identifying the blitzers, getting the ball out of his hands quickly, not throwing the ball into the ground when a receiver is wide open and making good decisions. Yes, he may have been rattled a bit by the pressure he was under, but I feel he should have at least improved on the above issues. I will say, that I admire his toughness, his mobility and desire to make plays.
Only one good eye? What is the other one doing? :smile: I don't follow college football enough to really have an opinion on Flacco, I just think most of Klemens problems were the result of the OL. Being inexperienced is one thing, but being inexperienced with a piss-poor OL in front of you is a recipe for disaster.
Looks good. What round is he projected in? I have no problem drafting a QB with some potential on the second day. If we really like someone I would even consider a third rounder.
Drafting a QB on the second round is not a bad plan. One should always draft key components for the future. Stating that KC has been a complete failure after playing six games with no OL and a game plan designed for Chad is simple inaccurate, short sighted and dead wrong. Eli, Rivers, and many other young QBs have taught us that. You must be patient, develop a game plan that maximizes their strenghts, and provide them with a solid OL for Pete sake. You try to run for your life, and pass to recievers that are hurt and well covered and no outlet to either a FB or TE.
You're way too hard on the guy. It was his first year playing, and, for lack of a better phrase, he was playing with utter shit. Give him a line that doesn't force him to run for his life, give him a running game that causes other teams to not just constantly swarm the LOS, give him healthy receivers who can catch the ball and make clutch plays (read: not Brad Smith and Justin McCareins), and you'll find that Clemens suddenly plays very nicely. BTW, all the elite QBs in the league who make the right reads and have developed into pretty damn good QBs, they have all those things I listed above, so it is not unreasonable to ask for all that.
I agree Flacco is an excellent prospect and it's good to have a 3rd arm in the system. I wouldn't mind seeing the Jets take him as high as 4th round, if he lasts that long.
You can't be serious about Clemens being a failure after 8 NFL games. It's taken Eli Manning and his brother for that matter a lot longer to be the QB's that they are today. I'm not putting Clemens in the HOF yet either but please let's give the guy the 2008 season to see if he has progressed to be our QB for the next decade.Most of the so called NFL experts say it takes several years before you can say definetely that a QB is a bust.
While this seems nice, what, in our past, makes you believe we are willing to go out and spend significant money on the OL? I don't see it... It'd be a major step in the right direction, but it wouldn't be very Jet-like....
Second that. Eli Manning played like a real pro yesterday. How long did it take him to get there? Can we please stop this nonsense about KC being horrible. We don't really know yet and anyone who says we do is talking through his hat. Can we pick up someone late on the second day who might develop? Why not. Should we use a high draft pick at this point for a QB? Not while we have so many needs! Get the lines fixed, then start playing around. We have enough of a QB controversy now with Kellen and Chad, we don't need to toss another element into it.
