How'd they identify the need on the OL and quickly address it? By drafting one OL, a project in Jacob Bender, at the very end of the draft? By running Kendall out of town without having a replacement in place? Right...
originaly posted by gm, Let's compare drafts for 2 years with Mangini vs the Pats 1 14 Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh 2 47 David Harris ILB Michigan 6 177 Jacob Bender T Nicholls State 7 235 Chansi Stuckey WR Clemson vs 1 24 Brandon Meriweather DB Miami (Fla.) 4 127 Kareem Brown DT Miami (Fla.) 5 171 Clint Oldenburg T Colorado State 6 180 Justin Rogers LB Southern Methodist 6 202 Mike Richardson DB Notre Dame 6 208 Justise Hairston RB Central Connecticut State 6 209 Corey Hilliard OT Oklahoma State 7 211 Oscar Lua LB USC 7 247 Mike Elgin G Iowa Mangini had 2 picks make waves in the NFL BB None 1 4 D'Brickashaw Ferguson T Virginia 1 29 Nick Mangold C Ohio State 2 49 Kellen Clemens QB Oregon 3 76 Anthony Schlegel LB Ohio State 3 97 Eric Smith DB Michigan State 4 103 Brad Smith WR Missouri 4 117 Leon Washington RB Florida State 5 150 Jason Pociask TE Wisconsin 6 189 Drew Coleman CB Texas Christian 7 220 Titus Adams DT Nebraska vs 21 Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota 2 36 Chad Jackson WR Florida 3 86 David Thomas TE Texas 4 106 Garrett Mills RB Tulsa 4 118 Stephen Gostkowski K Memphis 5 136 Ryan O'Callaghan T California 6 191 Jeremy Mincey LB Florida 6 205 Dan Stevenson G Notre Dame 6 206 Le Kevin Smith DT Nebraska 7 229 Willie Andrews CB Baylor 2 vs 2 Mangini has made an impact on draft day...FA is in BB corner i couldnt agree more
hey, the lord, just because u dont like the nickname 'tangini' that doesnt mean we have to stop calling him that, do a poll and u will see an overwhelming amount of people who like the name tangini
All these nicknames are awful. The worst was "Mangenuis." That was the one positive about this horrible season - no stupid genius moniker for Mangini.
Mangini's biggest mistake during his coaching gig here in NY is that he let Pete Kendall go because if he gave Kendall the extra million he wanted he would have to negotiate contracts with Brandon Moore, Needless to say Moore got his contract negotiated anyway.....Kerry Rhodes wil be givin a new contract...
What does Tangini refer to? Tannenbaum and Mangini? Do they actually work together as one entity? You don't think they sometimes disagree? If Mangini goes does that automatically mean Tannenbaum will go? Can we just call them the Front Office please? I am mad.
Tangini is shorthand for front office. It does mean something to most of us. We don't know if a personnel decision is made by one or the other or both together. In NE you know Belli makes the final decision. Here there is no such clarity. It's useful and I'm not going to stop using it.
4-12. Thats all I have to say. Good drafts don't matter if they don't pay off immediately. Haven't you Mangini lovers ever watched a real coach build a team?
The Patriots selected 44 players in the last five drafts (2003-2007). Only 19 are still with the team. The Jets selected 39 players over the same period. 22 of them remain on the roster. Therefore, the argument certainly can be made that the Jets draft better than the Patriots these days. The big difference between the teams are free agent acquisitions and coaching.
Smith and Clemens? The fact that they play doesn't mean they were good picks, it just means we have personnel issues.
That argument, which I've seen so many times, is flawed, because the Patriots roster is so stacked (largely from PAST drafts and excellent FA acquisitions) The later picks the Pats make (5th, 6th, 7th rounders) are usually not going to make the roster because they'd be replacing someone who is probably very worth while if they did.... Cutting a proven commodity to make room for a rookie is a high risk move.... That's why, to me, comparing drafts between a great team like NE, and an up and down team like the Jets is impossible. We're drafting players to fill holes we have. They're drafting largely for depth. To NE, after one or two need picks every year, the draft is a luxury.
Logic doesn't seem to matter to the anti-Mangini crowd, and sarcasm is way more fun. Re: Beaman's O-line post: They drafted a LT and a C in the first round of their very first draft. They passed up 2 elite QB prospects (1 elite to me, I hated Leinart). They passed up athletic freaks at valuable skill positions (Davis at TE). They even passed up a pretty good NT prospect, though that would have been considered an overdraft at the time. Considering that our OL at the time of that draft consisted of two average G's, I think they did a fine job identifying and attacking that weakness. And I have no idea why you're complaining about drafting OL late in a draft. Unless you can find me an O-line with all day 1 picks...the impression that the anti-Mangini crowd here gives is that our OL should be full of first and second rounders or high profile FAs. Thats just not gonna happen.
They let Kendall go because he didn't want to be here. Even Coles said that he would never handle the situation the same way Kendall did! Hindsight is 20/20. Most posters said they were glad to see Kendall go so don't play revisionist BS with me. The fact is that at the end of each season they have quickly identified their needs and have moved quickly and decisively to fix those needs. If you can't understand that then you're just a typical whiner on this site.
I was talking about the '07 offseason, as, even with Kendall, the line was still an issue, so you can throw your first paragraph out. And I'm not complaining about drafting OL late in the draft. But when your only legitimate OL acquisition all offseason is a 6th round rookie who has no experience as a pass blocker, you're not exactly, as the poster I quoted said, "Identifying needs and quickly addressing them."
