Having a winning record and making the playoffs multiple times is not to be dismissed, once again look at Jets history. He has given fans more to cheer about in the last decade, exception being the ONE good season Vinny had, than any recent Jets QB I can remember. Is he done, is he a product of a porous Jets o-line, who knows, but he deserves a little more respect than he gets on this board. Also, like my previous post, I don't see anyone saying he must start, he will take us to the promise land, given KC's play this year the option needs to be left open. Winning Qb's are not easy to find regardless of arm strength.
Exactly, that is what everyone here forgot. We were saying over and over about if KC didn't do well the Chad lovers will be complaining again.
Again, the problem is that you're judging him on Jets QB history which has been poor. OK, he's better than poor, is that what we should accept? I appreciate what he's done for the Jets, but feel it's time to move on and try and find someone better. KC hasn't shown anything yet, but CP has shown his ceiling isn't high enough. I'd love to have Chad as a backup, but he wants to be a starter and is paid too much to be a backup. I think he could be a good solution for a team like Minnesota who already has a very good o-line, running game, and defense. They also play in a dome so that situation is great for his strengths.
:grin: Thanks for that post. Said a lot better than I could. The other thing to take into account along with the emergence of the running game, imo, is the sudden reappearance of the defense late in the season. When your team isn't having scores run up on you it gives your offense time to develop the run without having to play catchup. How much that was a factor I can't be sure, but I'm willing to bet it played into some of it.
So where do we get someone better? Easy to say, hard to do. That's why they're keeping Chad, there is nobody else they can get that would upgrade the position. You don't upgrade your team by downgrading at QB, you at least want to stay the same if you can't upgrade. Like you said, Clemens gets an incomplete (no pun intended) for 2007 and he's already shown he too can miss games due to injury, especially with our O-line. In the event that he is ineffective or injured in 2008, are you prepared to watch another season go down the drain because we cut Chad for whatever reason and are now without a starting quality QB on the team? I'm not. Give Clemens a chance, but leave yourself an option if it doesn't work out, looks to be what they're doing.
"Best offense is a good defense" Absolutely a factor, probably one of the biggest. The problems with this team are bigger then the QB position alone, and I think people tend to focus on it more then other issues because Pennington and his weak arm make for a nice easy target. Thats not to say that QB isn't an issue, we need one and he might not be on the roster right now, but any excuses made on KC's behalf can easily be applied to Pennington bar experience and Coles durability late in the season. Taking into account the increase in rushing attempts and improved defensive play, an argument can be made that Clemens was in a better situation then Pennington was this season. Both lines on this team are in desperate need of an retooling. They effect every facet of the game from coaching down to execution. I think it was Klecko that made a fantastic post about how lineman are "force multipliers". Improve *both* lines and the QB play will improve along with it, as will the play of everyone behind them.
I would bring in a guy like Grossman that has potential to compete with Clemens. I also wouldn't cut Chad, I'd try to trade him and get some value because he probably can start for some teams. If Chad was willing to take another pay cut I'd keep him here.
After the second Buffalo loss even most of the Chad supporters were calling for him to be benched. Since that time he had two more chances against Tenn and Ne and didn't do anything at all to suggest he should be allowed to start again. At this point I think love for this man has overtaken what's right for the team in alot of posters minds. He had his moment in the sun in 2002 and now it's over. Its time to let go and find another savior. He has been done for years!
Besides this article is misleading... Miami is hoping to keep their players in better condition by having them play on Slow pitch softball team in the offseason.... They obviously need a pitcher.
Triple win. Addition by subtraction, a body in the draft and weaken a division opponent. If this was scrabble game over.
I'm so glad our goal is to beat Miami, maybe that's why we won 4 games last year? We have a higher winning % against Miami with Clemens, he never losses to Miami.
You're right, Miami never plays well against Clemens, he is a Dolphin killer. Of all of our QBs, only Chad has lost a game versus Miami as a Jet.
You said sending Chad to Miami would "weaken" them--your words. By what logic does sending a team your QB who has beaten them 7 of 8 times "weaken" them? Unless, of course, you have an unhealthy hatred for the said QB.
The shitty arm, the age the injuries the setting back their rebuild by years couldn't possibly be a reason. Lets go with unhealthy hatred for a 1,000.
Duante Culpepper, Trent Green and Chad Pennington Who were injured veterans brought to Miami to kill the franchise?
Let's keep Chadwick.........one more year.......keep building the lines through the draft and see what happens!
