he will throw some lolipops into picks against us, remember the thing we hated about chad the most, his weak ass arm!! even in his comeback player of the year season [2006] he threw 17 ints
This has been an informative thread.... The same guys that think Chad sucks are the same guys that are scared he might beat out their boy KC next year. You guys do not think Parcells would want Pennington?....wow. Chad is exactly the type of player Parcells likes. A veteran that is considered damaged goods and would play his heart out for Parcells and could help out with a young QB on the sidelines. Chad would live for the two times he plays us. I still remember the TD pass that was about 42 yards in the air against the Bengals thrown to Coles by KC....oh I am sorry that was Chad that threw that pass...oh it could not have been...according to many of you he can not throw more than five yards. Give me a break.
No. I'd love to play Pennington 2x a year. Stack the defense 10 yards beyond the LOS and you're money.
To me that's the most interesting dynamic of the Chad haters. On one hand he sucks and can't throw the ball 5 yards, but on the other, him being here impedes Clemens' progress because he might beat him out in camp. The same Clemens who they think is Tom Brady in waiting, yet they're afraid he might not be able to start over a washed up guy who can't throw, which will delay his eventual march to the Super Bowl MVP. It's like bi-polarism in a way.
It's kind of like watching Britney Spears: does she love her kids or her dogs more? Who knows. It's still a train wreck.
C'mon man...I hope your tongue is in your cheek because as was said halfway through the season: We don't expect KC to come in and be money from the start. I don't doubt that at this point in their careers, a healthy Chad probably could beat him out in TC. What I do doubt is Penny's ability to take us to the next level. KC needs to play both to show that he is capable of taking us further than Chad, and to actually get the experience necessary to do so. I think most of the rational anti-chad contingent feels the same way. It is the frustration of knowing that if Chad is in there, we are stagnant. That is not where most fans want this team to be.
i was one of chads biggest supporters going into this past season, but after watching his floaters time after time, and his decision making this past season, i think its time to move on, but then on one hand, im not to comfortable w/clemons either
I would take the Fins 4th rd pick for Penny....based on their record it would be in the top 100 picks. I doubt Parcells would do it though. as for Jets 1st round busts...how bout Roger Vick...Bruce Armstrong was picked two picks after Vick
Am I missing something? Is Parcells the coach? If he is going to be so involved in the development of a players' skills, then why did he bother to hire a head coach? I know we're talking about the Tuna here, but I can't see even him being that involved. If so, he should have just taken the HC job.
I like Chad, but think he sucks at QB. I would have no fear of him beating out Kellen in TC. He did not do it this year. He did not do it during the regular season, and he would not do it next TC. Chad is easily one of the most overrated athletes ever. I am totally befuddled how ANYONE could watch him this year and still think he can be an effective NFL QB. All NFL players eventually reach a point where they cannot comepte anymore or Montana would still be in the NFL. Chad has reached that point.
Sorta on board with this. Pennington can't make "all" the throws, but he did demonstrate that he can throw the deep ball at times. If Pennington becomes a Phin then he'll have all the time in the world to throw the ball when they play us, and given that he'll make good decisions. Chad as a Dolphin doesn't scare me, the Jets horrendous pass rush does.
Look up NYJ QB statistics history both regular season and post season. You might be surprised. As far as NYJ history is concerned he is anything but overrated. You could make an argument for the mediocrity of former Jet QB's... Also, who is hyping up Chad? People support him, but no one is saying he is a top 10 QB. I don't understand this inherent hatred some people show towards him (not necessarily referring to you).
Exactly... I think most of us supporting him see him for what he is. A decent QB with some weaknesses. Every QB has weaknesses. Part of the job as a CS is to use players to their greatest advantage and put them in a position to win. This year the FO/CS didn't do such a hot job of that all around. It is one of the things that I think Parcells did well. Vinny was pretty much known as Vinny Intercepteverde, but those years he was under Parcells he had great years. I don't think it is a coincidence.
At any rate this is one deal we won't have to live to regret - Penny won't go to a division team. Not unless that trade is one mutha sweet deal, which is highly unlikely giving the Dolphins woes.
Drama queen.... you make him out to be a freaking quadriplegic or something. The only thing useless are your melodramatic opinions.
Nope, no one is calling him a top 10 QB. The problem is that people supporting Chad have fallen into the trap of being happy with mediocrity based on Jets QB history. It's kind of sad actually. You guys are in love with a guy that had 1 very good season and has been average to slightly above average ever since. For those of us who recognize him for what he is, and recognize that in the NFL you need a great QB to have a dominant team, we've given up on him. He's shown all he has to offer and it's not enough for us. It's frustrating listening to people suck him off all day and makes us hate him more than we already disliked him for his average QB skills.
Apparently you didn't watch his game ending picks and no ability to move in the pocket this past season. Please name me a weaker armed Qb that has ever put on an Nfl Uniform? I rest my case!
That in itself does not make Pennington incapable of playing the QB position. If you were to highlight his poor decision making or inability to finish drives this season the argument becomes more compelling. Neither QB played well and a lot of that can be attributed to the OL's less then stellar play. I tend to think that people here are fed up with the style of offense the Jets run with Pennington at QB more so then with Pennington himself, but it's easier to throw him under the buss then it is to question why the OC wouldn't commit to the run early in the season when Pennington was playing. When Clemens played the field was hardly stretched, but the amount of running plays called (and the pathetic predictability from formations) seemed to increase. Coincidentally so did the win total. Some stats I compiled from ESPN based on TJ's rushing statistics from games QB'd by Clemens and Pennington: Total games with CP: 9 Runs: 153 Runs per game: 17 Average per carry: 3.4 Total games with KC: 7 Runs: 157 Runs per game: 22 Average per carry: 3.4 So while Jones average per carry didn't benefit from the switch at the QB position, his touches certainly did. I know this doesn't account for every game situation that both QB's were in, but I think it does demonstrate that there was a shift in philosophy once Clemens took the reigns. The question is why did they wait until the season was lost and the QB switch was made to commit to the run? If I'm bored later I'll dig up Washingtons stats to try to make this a little more complete. I know his stats will change the end result at least a bit, but the numbers from the workhorse are a good starting point.
