What's so interesting to read here then if everyone is a bunch of Madden playing, long ball loving football goofs? What keeps you here? I'll pay someone money to create TheChadClub forums, so all that think that anything this broken vet can provide any team in a starting situation is a lot of fizzled drives can go play. Clemens may not be the answer, but at least that has not been determined yet.
The long pass the 15 to 20 yard outs the ability to make a defense play the entire field is critical to the short passing game and running the ball. Put 22 people in your living room and see if you can complete an 8 yard pass than go outside onto a football field, you might have a little more space to work with. The short passing game is great and critical but relying on it because you can't throw the long pass or threaten the field makes the short passing game a high risk low reward proposition. The Pats essentially run a short passing game O but the fact that defenses have to cover the entire field makes stopping their short passing game almost impossible. Teams need balance but having a limited QB takes away that balance.
They have to cover the entire field because Brady has a year and a day to throw the ball most of the time, and he gets to throw to Moss. When our line gave the QB's time, they went deep more than people admit. The problem was they hardly had more the 2 seconds to throw. The receivers can't get that far downfield in 2 seconds, which is why there were so many short passes even when Clemens was in.
We were also throwing a lot of out patterns when we had time, even in the wind at New England and Tennessee. People see what they want to see, I guess. Complete a 57 yard pass in stride, complete an 18 yard out and people will still come on here and say you can't throw 5 yards. What can you do?
We went deep in 02 off play action we turned into a ground team in 04 and last year when Pennington was healthy we kept the ball in the middle of the field between the hash marks and generally 5 to 10 yards up the field. We were a below average scoring team last year and his INT's were up because he was throwing into smaller and smaller spaces. This year he has been forced to go outside more by the defense and the results of it were a complete dissaster because he throws the baseball equivelant of a hanging slider.
It's hard to throw anywhere when you have DL & LB's in your face 2 seconds after taking the snap. Same for Clemens. If we improve the OL, both QB's will benefit.
The reasons defenses have to cover the entire field is Randy Moss and the fact Brady has time to throw it deep. Take away the deep threat and it doesn't really matter who the QB is because the WR can be covered by 1 man.
The Pats have run a short passing game O since Brady has been there but he has always exploited the entire field. The reason they are the most prolific O in league history this year is Randy Moss and the time to throw deep but that doesn't change how they have operated regardless of how good the line has been or who has been at WR.
Yes, they do have Tom Brady. That alone is worth at least 2-3 extra wins a year alone. But the other constant is the OL. Brady has had to deal with a sputtering by committee running attack over the years and at one point a complete drain of WR talent. The one thing he hasn't had to worry about are the hogs up front protecting him. That is the difference.
We were significantly better at running the ball in 01,02,03 and 04 than the Pats and our overall line play was better. Brady was just much better than Chad over that period except in 02. NE YPA 01-3.8 02-3.8 03-3.6 04-4.1 JETS 01-4.6 02-4.0 03-4.0 04-4.5
I believe we did.... When Martin won the rushing title in 2004, our line was talked about as top 2 or 3 in the entire NFL.... At the time, Logan Mankins wasn't even in the league yet (debuted in 2005) Matt Light was drafted in '01, and, though we was okay out of the gate, didn't come into his own until '04 or '05, and was recognized for his improved play with a Pro Bowl selection in '06 Damien Woody was the Pats center, and was very good ('04 Pro Bowl alternate) but he was oft injured, being replaced by Koppen in '03. Koppen missed a lot of '05 with an injury, and didn't step back into the lineup as a premier OL until '06, subsequently signaling the Pats' OL's rise to dominance Steve Neal was and still is an above average RG with the Pats throughout those years, but was never a world beater. Their current RT, Nick Kaczur didn't come into the league until '05 Pretty much, as our line broke down (losing Thomas, McKenzie, Fabini, Mawae and now Kendall) their line was being built. But while Brady was working behind a work-in-progress line, albeit a pretty good one that was ever-improving, Pennington was working behind one of the premier lines in the NFL until it began to fall apart due to FO ineptness..
Pennington also didn't have the advantage of his coaches knowing the defensive signals from the other team either
Cmon now you know that Bellys signal cheating had zero effect on CP performance. Stealing the other sides signals has been going on probably as long as sports have been played. IF our signals were being stolen then shame on our CS for know IDing that & immediating switching to another set of signs
You really can't read, can you? I said: That means that Brady had the advantage since his coaches were the ones caught cheating. By his coaches cheating, Brady was gaining an advantage over HIS opponents, because HIS coaches would know the tendencies based on their videotaping. By Herm being too stupid to try to steal signals and cheat, Chad did not have that same advantage.
Our Defensive Coordinators can be standing on the bench with Beli and crew when they call in the plays and it still won't make a difference. There is no defense for Randy Moss running past a Cb, Saftey and Lb and beating Cover three like he did against us in the first game! Brady could beat us with a blindfold on at this point!
Yep, they just happened to have everyone in to block and only sent out Moss on a play where we were sending everyone on a blitz. Nice coincidence.
Moss was triple covered and he still beat them. In essence it made no difference! He would have ran past our secondary no matter who was in.
