We didn't have to take him. There were plenty of quality guys in the draft after D'Brick. Don't blame it on the draft position.
I was wondering the same thing. Everyone is saying the jets got the 6th pick, but according to nfl.com it looks like we have #4. I would also like for someone to please clarify.
What does that have to do with my argument? I'm saying there is no difference between 3 and 6 for practical purposes. I trust in Tanenbaum. D'Brick hasn't lived up to the hype so far but that helps my argument - current management is better at finding diamonds in the rough later in the draft than knowing what to do early in the 1st round. If anything, we should be trading down (unless someone drops to us that shouldn't).
The point is that you can't say that they are money in the draft when their highest draft pick has been a major disappointment.
Vernon Gholston? He'll be eaten alive in the pro game, and the 3-4 won't help him. 6-3 255? Let's examine the history of guys that size trying to make it in the league as D-ends that were first round picks: Kamerion Wimbley: Now a linebacker Mathias Kiwanuka: Mostly a linebacker Demarcus Ware: Played a little of both in college, now a linebacker Erasmus James: Bust Jason Babin: Kinda good, injured Jerome McDougle: Bust Calvin Pace: Looking like a bust, had a pretty good year though The success stories are bigger and faster: Tamba Hali 6'3" 275 Mario Williams 6'7" 285 Ty Warren 6'5" 300 Will Smith 6'3" 282 Now, last I remember, Gholston didn't have life-changing speed like Williams. The one who plays in the 3-4, Ty Warren, also happens to be the biggest. D-Ends have a huge bust rate, and Gholston needs about 30 pounds. Unless the Jets plan on making him an LB, which they don't need, I'd pass and look to trade down.
You don't think we need a pass rushing OLB? To me that is almost as much a need for our D as a stout NT is.
I'd look NT and OT first. If they're converting him to LB, then so be it. The management knows more than I do. But a lot of people are posting his name acting like he will be a game-changing D-End. With his size, I just can't see it happening in the NFL. It's not like he's Freeney where he's noticeably faster than everyone else, either.
He is going to be a linebacker, and right now, he's the guy I want the Jets to take the most. We don't need a linebacker? Last time I checked, we have nobody on our team that can rush the passer save for occasionally Bowens. It also never hurts to draft big pass rushers, and in the 3-4, that is the part we are missing more than any other.
All good points but I think the Jets can make the playoffs with the D they have right now. Their offense is beyond embarrassing. Thats what they need to be drafting. They need the ability to make big plays.
Why is that? I guess the best player available concept doesn't apply to football. If you pick higher the more options you have.
And you base this on two drafts? The second of which we moved up to pick what was clearly the best cornerback in the 2007 draft who looks to have an incredibly bright future in the person of Revis? Let's be clear, in their first draft, management found two fourth round diamonds in the rough in Brad Smith and Washington, but one could argue Smith's hype is bigger than his actual production. I'd wait for more of a fact base than make definitive statements like the above...
OLB - Thomas, Gholston ILB - Harris, Vilma Bench - Barton, Hobson I really think we'll be taking Gholston now. The pressure to take McFadden or Long would have been tremendous. That LB unit, looking at starters and depth, would be sick.
I'm not a huge fan of Brick, and he hasn't yet lived up to his potential and draft status, but to say he's been a major disappointment is way off base. He's shut down some of the best pass rushers in the league this season, consistantly.
