Chad or Clemmons???

LOL. the way you put it makes it seem like Stone Soup. If you have all of those ingredients, who cares who the QB is????:grin:


I would hope a QB that has that is a 12 win team no question....

 

Chad never earned his contract. Chad had one very good 12 game stretch followed by an injury riddled mediocre second season. He threatened to not negiotate if he wasn't locked up prior to the 03 season ending. Bradway caved and gave him such an outragous contract he had the new regime over a barrell and they had to renigotiate with him because of the cap hit. Chad has made about 30 million from the Jets since the 04 season. He certainly hasn't been worth that and doesn't deserve to be paid another 6 to 9 million for another year simply because he may or may not be marginally better than Clemens.

 

We did have it in 04, 10 games.

 

The point I was trying to make is that, unless McNabb hits the market or is traded, Pennington will be the best veteran QB available in the NFL next year. Why get rid of him when Clemens has shown nothing??? He could be some team's Jeff Garcia next year.

 

He's making too much money to be a backup QB.

 

Bingo, and from the way he talks he won't be content to be a back-up anyway. Hell I don't doubt that he CAN start for a number of teams in the league including the Jets, but he'll never live up to his contract from a production standpoint and thats more then enough reason to cut ties with him.

 

If that's true, so are many other players on this team and they should go also. Ready:

Ellis - the most overpaid player on the Jets since 04
Thomas
Robertson
K. Coleman- $20+ million for that?
Barton
Dyson
Coles - wants a new contract - is it worth it for a 30+ year old receiver whose best years are behind him. Same argument as those are making with Pennington - he is gutty, but he has long since passed his ceiling.
McCareins

 

IF we had the Offensive line, Chad would be great again...unfortunately, WE DON'T..so the fans, media, etc demanded a change...I like BOTH quarterbacks but that STILL IS NOT THE PROBLEM FOLKS!

 

Would an offensive line turn that huge knot of scar tissue in the middle of the shoulder cuff of Chad's throwing arm back into muscle?

 

I dunno.....I think Kellen deserves a better shot with a decent line in front of him.....we need to replace our turnstile at LG with a real player...

Either way, is it that hard to find out how to spell a player's name before creating a thread about him?

For the record I mostly agree about Chad....he did make some costly mistakes....but the poorly informed fans on this site blame him way too much because they don't understand the game.

 

You know when you think about it, it's sad and I know he missed like 3 games too. I don't understand why some many people have such high hopes in Chad. I don't mean he should have dirt kicked on him, but he shouldn't have this many "defenders". The guy was average.

 

Pennington brought the Jets back to the mainstream, he made this team a winner again and a playoff/division contender every season, he's been the 1st franchise QB here since Ken O'Brien, plus he's a likeable guy, Chad's the man and I'm not ready to give him the boot out of here. This offense was doomed from training camp and I don't care who the QB was, it wasn't the QB's fault, the O-line sucked, could not pass protect or run block, gave the QB no time to throw or the WR's time to get open. Bring Chad back in 2008!!!!!!!

 

Of course it can.


The OLine is a CONSTANT.


The reality is, with the same OLine, and the same set of players (I.E. no Coles and Cotchery together) Pennington played no better, possibly worse than Clemens.

The only problem being, Clemens is a first year starter, not a Vet with playoff experience.

 

I don't see what you're basing this on, how has Clemens played better? The only thing he's done better than Chad is scramble and he's stopped doing that in recent games. Chad has even thrown the deep ball better and more accurately than Clemens. The end result is we haven't scored points with either guy because the offense as a whole is mistake prone and inconsistent.

Also, I love the first-year starter excuse. A lot of the same people who are using this excuse for Clemens are the ones who have killed Chad for the Oakland playoff game since 2002. That was Chad's first year playing--against the eventual Super Bowl team, on the road, in the second round of the playoffs--and nobody cut him any slack. Now we're supposed to wait years for Clemens to play as well as Chad because he needs experience?

 

The team has scored more consistently since Coles went down, under Clemens.
In Fact, Coles actually played healthy in Chads last start, and the offense has done nothing, 4 Field Goals, in Chads last three games....
(1 Vs. Buf, 1 Vs NE, 2 Vs Tenn)...

 

That's not even accurate. The 6 points vs Tennessee wasn't FGs, Chad threw a TD, we missed the extra point. We've been moving between the 20s and getting mostly FGs with both guys in, so I don't know how you figure one is playing much better than the other. We've got guys putting the ball on the ground in key spots and dropping TDs on both QBs. Unless you really have an agenda, I don't know how you can claim Clemens has played better.

Regarding Coles, he hasn't been healthy since Clemens underthrew him on the flea flicker and he hurt his ankle. For all the bitching about Chad getting people hurt, it was Clemens underthrow that did him in. If Chad had thrown that ball we'd have never heard the end of it. Coles didn't play vs NE or Tenn, so again you are inaccurate in your assessment.

 

Trade partner for Chad?

I have heard a lot of talk about trade partners for Chad, but one option that i think makes more sense for the jets and all parties involved in to send Chad to Atlanta. They will no doubt need to draft a QB as well but Chad gives them a reasonable stop gap and a guy who can help rebuild the trust in the QB position with relativly solid play (something they wish they had this year) in a dome enviornment with division opponents who play in the south (thus very few potential poor weather games to expose his arm strengh issue)

My trade scenerio

Jets Send: Pennington + 3rd Rounder (#67-70)

Falcons send 2nd round pick (#34-36 overall)

I think that trade makes sense for both sides and it gives the jets two high 2nd round picks to work with to address the defense if RB is what they want to do early on. However , if i were them, i would trade back in round 1 if a partner was found for mcfadden, draft Jonathan Stewart later in round 1 and rebuild the defense and offensive line with the rest of the picks accumulated.

I think we should all have learned from Reggie Bush that drafting a RB in the top 5 is a dicey proposition at best and Leon Washington is the best reason why a guy later on makes more sense (Say Ray Rice, Chris Johnson, Mike Hart or the multitude of other backs available in this years draft

If the Jets had two high 2nd rounders they could address the defense with a run stuffing DT and the offense with a Road Grading RT (both those positions will have a ton of top prospects at that spot but not much later on)

Your opinions?

 

You are correct, my apology, I should have written 12 points, and so I stand corrected.


Even so, now you're hanging your hat, on 1 TD in 3 complete games.


I like Chad, but the bottom line is that Clemens, with all things being equal, has performed at least equal to, if not better than Chad.

(Admittedly however, Mangini has clearly tried to help force that result, by playing with the OL last weekend...)