When Chad plays the oline plays great and the WR never drop the ball. When Clemens plays everyone shuts down to watch his rocket arm lead us to victory. Its a double standard.
McCareins dropped a few of Chads floaties...and Chad was sacked like 5 times I think. No double standard OLINE STINKS!
I had enough with the BS moral victories when Herm was here, I ain't gonna fall into that trap anymore. The only result that matters is the scoreboard at the end of the game.
We never had a moral victory when Herm was here.... the team quit under Herm... when Herm went 4 -12 we were getting our doors blown off... other than Dallas that hasn't happened this year
Herm was the one touting moral victories in his handjobs *ahem* Mark Can'O'Lard'o interviews. I never really felt morally victorious. Previous to his final season. He didn't try to waste our time with that shit in his final season.
Well to have an actual moral victory... you can't tout it yourself.... and I don't feel morally victorious after yesterday but I don't feel awful either... which is exactly the way I felt after Hermisms after Herm losses
I thought the team played hard and as well as they could. The problem for me is I finally understood what Champ has been saying for all these years. The Pats are simply a better organization and we aren't going to beat them until we have an owner who is as committed as Kraft to winning. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the Pats coaching staff and GM were making 10 to 20million more collectively than our staff forgetting the player salaries.
I would maybe feel Ok if htis was week 4 or 5.....but the truth is im gonna have to be on the "screw moral victories" side......and what makes me feel not so good is that at times, quite a few times, we looked like clowns. like a high school team. embarrassing. from the play calling, to the blocking, to rout running, to the catching of the ball and execution. laughable. How that game ended up close I dont know....our D was spunky, Ill say that.....but im not coming away from that game feeling any better than I did going in..... and the Brad smith nonsense is about as humiliating as you can get....we look like clowns, clowns
so making more money means you do a better job coaching and evaluating talent? Christ I hope thats not the case... sounds like a silly arguement to me
The last time the Jets had a quality staff top to bottom was 1997, 98 and 1999. It's no accident that the last time we had a SB contending team was 1998. It only happend because Hess finally decided to hire the best to see a winning team before he died. We have had a second rate staff since the day BB took most of that staff to NE. I like Mangini but we are weak above him and below him.
No, but the amount of money one commands is often an indicator of talent in the workplace. I'm almost embarrassed you needed that concept explained to you. It's pretty obvious what Winston was getting at.
His statement was about money & Woody being cheap... not talent, though he explained that's what he meant... and yeah I get it... I don't need anything explained to me unless you mean to tell me every team that's won the superbowl had the best & top paid C/S
Any of the ones that did it mutiple times had a great HC and staff and total support of the ownership. You can get lucky in this league but the great teams had great ownership.
I hate to say it but this is becoming the case for me as well. Woody is almost like an absentee owner.
No my statement is about bringing in top coaching talent and the way to do that is to smoke the competition in the offseason by promoting and paying top dollar to build a great staff. We hired Mangini late and put a very mediocre staff around him. I like his direction but we are rebuilding with a very young team. We need great coaches to work with these players from day one and I don't think we have it. When Parcells was our HC we had Weiss as the OC and Dan Henning as Vinny's personal coach, Al Groh was our Linebacker coach. We were stacked and we took a pretty good shot lossing to a great Denver team. Parcells wasn't able to win with Dallas in large part because he didn't have nearly as good a staff as he had with the Giants and Pats.
Honestly... I don't know enough about lower coaches to know who to bring in here... I think they got Mangini because that's who they thought was the best fit for the job... not because he was the best they could do for what they wanted to pay.... At this point the Parcells tree has been picked clean... I don't know of any other "power staffs" out there... The Chargers staff was thought to have it but that hasn't really worked out... I guess the next staff would be the Colts... though I couldn't name one coach other than Dungy
Honestly, when it comes to making good key decisions like that, none of us posting here really know those answers. But I will say that a very good, current example of a a HC who was on the verge of being canned, and has rebuilt his staff into a good one and has the team playing well is DelRio. I know that the OC, Koetter, was set to interview fot the HC job at UMiami last year, but he first went to Jax to interview for the QB coach, and ended up being offered the OC position, which he took. They then proceeded to get rid of their starting QB, and it has all turned out rather well this season. The good, up and coming coaches are often coming up from the college ranks. For some of them, college is a better gig- like Butch davis, Petrino, Pete Carroll, Saban. Others make it in the NFL- Jimmy Johnson, Norm Chow, Coughlin. Del Rio completes coaching staff 02/08/07 DEL RIO COMPLETES COACHING STAFF Jacksonville Jaguars head coach Jack Del Rio has filled out his coaching staff heading into the 2007 season. The additions to the staff include former college head coaches Dirk Koetter and Mike Shula. On the offensive staff, Mike Tice will take over responsibility for coaching the tight ends and will remain as assistant head coach/offense. Koetter joins the staff as offensive coordinator, while Shula will serve as quarterbacks coach. Named by Del Rio as wide receivers coach is Todd Monken, while Robert Prince will serve as assistant wide receivers coach. The new special teams coaches are Joe DeCamillis as special teams coordinator, and Tom Williams as special teams assistant. DIRK KOETTER, Offensive Coordinator - Koetter, known for his expertise of the passing offense, has 25 years of coaching experience and has spent the last nine seasons as a head coach at the collegiate level. He previously served as head coach at Arizona State and at Boise State and spent time as an assistant at Oregon, Missouri, UTEP and San Francisco State. MIKE SHULA, Quarterbacks coach - Shula has 18 years of coaching experience, 14 years in the NFL, and spent the last four seasons as head coach at Alabama. Prior to becoming a head coach, Shula spent time as a NFL assistant for Miami, Tampa Bay and Chicago. TODD MONKEN, Wide receivers - Monken, a 17-year coaching veteran, previously served the last two seasons as wide receivers coach/passing game coordinator at LSU. Prior to his stint at LSU, Monken had stops at Oklahoma State, Louisiana Tech, Eastern Michigan, Grand Valley State and Notre Dame. ROBERT PRINCE – Assistant Wide Receivers – Prince spent the last three seasons on the Atlanta Falcons coaching staff. Prior to joining the NFL, Prince spent 15 seasons in the collegiate ranks with stints at Boise State, Portland State, Fort Lewis College, Sacramento State, Montana State and Humboldt State. JOE DeCAMILLIS – Special Teams Coordinator - DeCamillis who is known as one of NFL’s top special teams coaches, has 19 years of NFL coaching experience and he has spent the past 14 seasons as a NFL special teams coach with the Atlanta Falcons and New York Giants. He also served five seasons on the Denver staff. TOM WILLIAMS, Special Teams Assistant – Williams has spent the past two seasons at San Jose State where he served as co-defensive coordinator and linebackers coach. Williams spent three seasons each at Hawaii, Washington and Stanford. He played football at Stanford and began his coaching career as a graduate assistant at his alma mater in 1993 under Hall of Fame coach Bill Walsh.
0 offensive touchdowns? 0...none...nada That makes me all warm and fuzzy about having him as a starting QB. I'd rather go with unknown potential than known mediocrity at best.
