Against 6 or 7 DBs, one might persuade even Belichick to run with his current personnel. There is some truth to what you say. Many teams are defending the run too much, the pass too little. The two teams that did best were the Cowboys and Colts. The Colts (before they lost Freney for the season) were able to get good pressure with four rushers, but two of the four always went wide from the end positions. This gave Maroney the draw play. He was getting a half dozen yards a pop until corrections were made at the half. The Patriots will run given a big enough invitation. The Cowboys and Steelers blitzed, sending 5 or 6 guys. This not only pressured Brady, but it also made running difficult. The problem is defending the receivers with the remaining 5 or 6 guys. If you play close to the line to stop the dink and dunk, it is bombs away to Moss. Most teams will throw one or three bombs any given game, to 'keep the defense honest.' This year, Brady and Moss will complete two or three bombs a game. You have to be honest. If a team stays back to defend the long plays, dink and dunk works. If they don't, they do keep Brady off the field and gain a big advantage in time of possession. The Cowboys played well rushing five or six for 2 and a half quarters, at which point their pass rush was gassed, Brady started getting time, and when Brady has time, game over. Even before the Cowboys pass rush died, Brady was finding enough receivers running free to score on an even pace with Romo. The Steelers had the Blitzes to hurry Brady, but they couldn't find a pass coverage that worked consistently. Early in the game, the short passing game struggled, but eventually Brady found a few wide open pass play bombs that forced the Steelers to play further back. After they moved back to cover the bombs, the seven yard dink and dunks became trivially easy. The Ravens and Eagles did pretty good with 4 and 5 man rushes and hard nose pass defense. I'm not sure if they did something clever, or if they were just playing more intensely than the Patriots. I don't know if the Jets could duplicate it. We'll have to play the game. Rushing 3 and dropping 8 is an extreme that hasn't been tried yet this year. I'm dubious. Give Brady time and he'll kill you. Still, it might well be time to try something new. The other options haven't worked.
O'calahan took 12 offensive snaps at TE last game because of all the blitzing and we could not touch Brady. If we bring 6-7 guys, they are going to max protect and throw deep to Moss and he will beat any of our CB in one on one.
The SB against the Rams sticks out in my mind, when they had Bruce, young Holt, Faulk, Az Hakim, and Ricky Proehl, and Conwell at TE. Before that game as a young sports fan, I thought this game was going to be a blow out of epic proportions. Then, what did the Pats do? They knocked the weapons on their asses from the get-go, and disrupted timing immensely. I think that if we "bump" hard and often enough, we can throw off the timing routes, and though their O-line will hold up for a while, the unit may start to tire and we can get pressure on Brady with less people than we think. I also think that sense BB is good at halftime corrections, we should come out after halftime with a creative approach to D. I think we should have soft coverage to start out the 3rd to counteract Belidick's response to our B&R.
Tell that to Baltimore.... Brady is very, very, very human when he's under pressure... In fact, it seems like his ability to make plays under pressure this season has regressed immensely from years past... Possibly because he is so used to being able to drop back and wait for plays to develop to get rid of the ball.... He used to be really good at moving around in the pocket, and side-stepping pressure while keeping his eyes upfield. Now he often looks like he doesn't sense the pressure like he used to....
If they blitz... the jets will get burned. If they stay back and toss out more DBS... the jets will get burned. Either way... the jets will burned. If teams could have figured out how to beat the PATS and Brady then they would have already. Can't be done.
Well, it took 3 pages, but my initial prediction proved accurate... Congrats on being the first moron, bandwagoner to try to ruin the thread :up:
With Revis & Rhodes, Moss isn't terrifying If we can get any sort of passrush (and I don't mean hitting Brady, I mean just giving him less than 5+ seconds to throw) I don't think Randy Moss will shred our secondary. When we faced New England in Week 1, Revis was coming off of a LONG holdout, and had very little NFL experience. There was also very little game-tape available of a motivated 'top-of-his-game' Randy Moss.... I expect a similar game out of Moss as what Edwards had this week. He'll make 2 or 3 athletic plays to get catches over Revis, but I am confident that Revis can stick with him, and hold him in check. Whatever you are smoking, pass it over. I need some of that too. It's not just Moss that's shredding the secondary. Double-teaming on Moss usually means either Watson/Stallworth/Welker will get open. Do you expect the Jets secondary to cover all three in a single coverage and still shut them down? (And don't forget Gaffney. There's a reason Brady loves his 5-wide out set.) Rhodes is continuing to develop into one of the best S's in football, and, with him over the top, the deep play to Moss doesn't really worry me. That means Rhodes will be kept almost exclusively in deep coverage. True, Pats of late haven't run that much, but that will certainly leave Rhodes out of position if the Pats do decide to run. It's not even like Jets' run D is that much formidable to start. 15+ Carries For Washington Will Keep Us In The Game Thomas Jones' running style is not going to work against the front 7 of New England, as they're very disciplined, and will control the cut-back lanes. That being said, they (especially those LBs) will never be mistaken for fast, or quick. I think, if we're going to move the ball at all against them on the ground, and keep their pass-rush from teeing off on Kellen, we're going to need to use Leon for at least half of our running plays. And when I say this, I mean between the tackles. If we can establish a decent double-team on Wilfork, I believe Leon has what it takes to slash his way to 4+ yards per carry against that LB corps. While this won't WIN the game for us (nothing, I believe, will) it may keep us relatively competitive. Pounding Jones 20+ times is not going to do it. So basically, you are saying the Jets can't run on a consistent basis, so they have to resort to trick plays and gadget plays. Add inconsistent Clemens, and let's what we've got. One fell swoop, and you know you'd have to punt in as early as 2nd down. I see why you are focusing on the run; if Jets do fall behind early, just trust me. You don't want to watch the whole slaughter in its entirety. Special Teams, Special Teams, Special Teams! If we're going to compete in this game, our STs are going to be a big reason for it. No matter how 'in-check' New England is kept, it's no secret that they're going to be scoring several times in this game. That means a lot of opportunities in the return game for Neon Leon. I think NE is a smug enough team to actually kick to him (something we haven't seen since the Pittsburgh game) and it will be up to our KR team to give him a chance to set us up with good field position. Additionally, any missed FGs (Nuge has hit something like 14 in a row) or shanked punts could spell doom for us. We cannot afford to leave any points off the board, or give up ay field position. Once again, if we're going to be competitive, it will require Westoff and Co. being on top of their game. Like allowing Hobbs to run 100+ yards on kick-off return? Big Game from Cotchery! The Pats will likely try to hold down LC with Samuel, and, as a Jet fan, that gives me hope. As Coles is banged up, I'd rather he be used as a decoy, and a way to keep Samuel out of the play, than as a primary target. That means Cotchery will be matchup up on the #2 CB (Hobbs?). As Smith/McCareins are not reliable targets, and it's fair to say that Harrison should hold Baker down most of the game, Cotchery's going to need to show up, big time, for our passing game to survive. I think we had better hope his finger heals up, and he's ready to go 100%, because that is one of very few favorable matchups we have in this game.... This is about the only thing that's favorable to the Jets as much as I can see it. *He turned a sure INT into TD last year in 2nd game at Foxboro, to his credit. Who got burned then? It's the same Ellis Hobbs.*
Moss broke out again last week, but the two previous weeks he had been held in check, by strong S/CB combinations.... And, as I've referenced many times in this thread, I don't think we can cover all of the Patriots' options.... We're going to need to limit Brady's time in the pocket, to prevent him from getting to those 2nd and 3rd reads..... I chose to focus on Moss, however, because he is their big play threat, and they're a lot more beatable when you eliminate the 3 or 4 big plays they make every game... Where the hell did you get that? I said we should use Leon when we run in between the tackles, instead of Jones, because he's more likely to make a play against their slow LB corps than is Jones... How is using your spell-RB for 15+ carries using "tricks and gadgets"? It's called utilizing mismatches in personnel. And, I have no idea what the rest of that is supposed to say.... Something about shortening the length of the game? Whatever.... That was week 1. We have better STs than they do.... One play does not a unit make.
Yes, so they are better off blitzing..if they do somebody will get hurt and since the outcome is already set in stone, what does it matter? Send 9 or 10 on every play. Let Brady deal with that.
The Jets need to go on long drives to keep the Pats offense off the field. And get TD's not field goals. If they can have those 7-8 minute drives this game could be won.
that will require converting on third downs, something the Jets have not been good at. They have to do better on both sides of the ball on third down. If the weather is chitty, they just have to pound away and hope for some lucky breaks along the way.
Bracket Moss like we tried in game one unfortunately here's why It didn't work: -No Bumps on any of their WR's. We have to Bump in order to give our LB/DL more time to get to Brady. -We tipped our hats. NE knew we were going to blitz and were ready for it everytime w/ Max protect. That left us vulnerable especially w/ NO BUMPING @ the line. -Our secondary was Banged up. Smith was out, Coleman hurt,Miller played on 1 leg. -Use the Middle of the field! I'm tired of not seeing teams exploit the age of the LB core. Make em Cover! -2 Backs in the Backfield. You have so many options out of this. Max Protect, 1RB 1 FB or Leon & TJ at the same time. They can't cover them both w/ their slow LB's! One thing I respect Belly for is his gameplanning. He knows how to plan. We don't.
That style of play was executed before Peyton whined like a bitch and the league changed/refined/clarified the rules to accommodate him. Anything we can get away with on Sunday will look like friendly nudging compared to the mugging that the NE DBs used to do.
Only way we will have a shot at winning is if we can establish a run game and get at least 2 turnovers. This why our chances are slim. It's all on the O-Line.
I think the Jets have to knock Brady out of the game in the first half to have a chance and then hope that his backup has problems, otherwise Brady's going to pick them apart.
The problem w/ bumping at the line against the pats is they have 2 guys who are very tough to get a clean hit on coming off the snap. Moss because of his speed/size combo and Welker because of his shiftiness. A lot of welker's big plays have come when he slips the bump at the line adn gets himself matched up with a LB. As for moss, you just have to double him. The ravens and Eagles both doubled him with 2 very good Dbs, the steelers did not. Edit- that last sentence was kind of vague, I meant that you HAVE to double him, not that it is all you have to do, but rather that trying to man up even with some deep zone help isn't enough.
