I actually like this guy. I think the players really look at him as a real leader. However, he isn't the same guy this year. Last year he played really well, even though his stats didn't show it (thanks Kimo). I honestly think we could get a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick and that could be huge. I know his cap hit would be big, but we certainly have cap to spare. I think we are all really excited at the core nucleus of the Defense: Rhodes, Revis, Harris, and maybe Vilma. All young guys who can make plays. And I think we all know that we have to upgrade up our d-line and make it one that can push the pocket and wreak havoc. I think this is the time. If this team can bring in some big time impact D-lineman then the core guys on the defense can really be exciting. I would love to get a 2nd for Ellis and use it on a guy like Frank Okam
maybe get rid of victor hobson, the guy cant penetrate crate paper he is so lame. outside linebackers are weak as piss
one you wouldnt get anythign for ellis 2 ellis isnt the problem but he is expendable once d rob moves to de
He was always overrated, only reason he had a couple of good seasons was becuase of the presense of Abe and teams sliding their protection to Abe's side. With Abe gone, he has done nothing, not even stop the run.
you can?t say trade/cut, you gotta devide those two. Trade: depends on offer! Cut: no way. why would we?
Oh heck yeah. I thought this was pretty much agreed on by most Jets fans. The Guy is 30 and too small for a 34 End. Lets see if we can get a 3rd rounder for him.
i think the OLBs are the real problem, Thomas and Hobson are playing slow as hell and can never put pressure on the QB, it either comes from Drob, or Ellis or the ILBs which is not how the 3-4 is supposed to work
No, Remember in a 3-4 your LB's are only good if they get the help they need UP FRONT. That isn't happening. We have a GREAT, That's right GREAT group of LB's in VILMA, HARRIS, HOBSON and Even Barton who all make plays when the DL chips in. Unfortunately, the CS has them in the Wrong positions and with NO DL they seem weak. i.e.- Hobson is not a Pass rushing LB but yet they use him as one. Ironically, Ellis is a good player for a 3-4 cause he is good vs the run but again, w/ No help on either side (DT & Thomas) he seems worthless.
Our Out Side linebackers are getting no pressure on the QB this year when called upon. None. That has nothing to do with the D line and Every thing to do with them not having the skills to get to the QB. Thomas obviously got his contract and went back to being Mr. Invisable. This guy is a joke at best right now. Hobson is about as bad as a 3-4 OLB as there is. No pressure on most times he's brought. I would not mind to see him inside in this D, but he does not have the Pass rushing skills for outside. He needs to be moved to the rotation inside and we need to find a OLB who can get to the QB. Our OLBs have a combined 3.5 sacks, a half more than David Harris and a half behind team leaders Ellis and Robertson. That sucks badly. This is by no means a good grp of 3-4 LBs and its not all the Lines fault. If that was the case David Harris would be sucking right now as well and he's not. It a matter of bad players playing badly (thomas) and decent players out of position (hobson). If the inability to get to the QB is not addressed in the offseason things will look very ugly next year as well. That cap space needs to be used to address the O-line and hopefully D-line and OLB position. We need help in all areas. Cutting Ellis on a team this thin on talent only makes matters worse IMO.
Are you serious? It has everything to do with the D line, I agree out linebackers suck but if the D line can't get penetration then the other team can use extra blockers to pick up the linebackers.
I don't often notice extra protection in to contain our OLBs. They are losing one on one matchups badly. The D line is not good. Same with our OLBs. The only part of the front 7 I'm happy with is Harris, all of the rest are in the wrong position or easily replaceable. Sutton is the first thing that needs to go. Watching What Dom Capers does with Blitz packages and then seeing our bland approch to a 3-4 makes me sick. We got after Big Ben by using Linbackers, Stunts, Saftys, Overloads, and corners. Bringing several different looks all game. This opens things up to the Line when the offense has doubts on who is actually comming. Little of that was used yesterday. We've done little of it all season. We have talent on D that is being used badly. On offense we lack talent along the line and nothing else will work without that.
Agreed. And he was only good in a 4-3. Both him and Vilma have to go. The sooner we trade these guys for draft picks, the sooner we can move on w/getting the right personnel for the 3-4. We can move D'Rob to DE & get Pouha in a rotation w/the new free agent Ethan Kelley. K. Coleman stays at DE. And then we stockpile draft picks.
I think Victor Hobson and Kenyon Coleman are the problem. I would love to keep Hobson around to spell our other LBers though as Kassell and Chatham do now. We need a big pass rusher opposite Thomas. Ellis is not the problem. Coleman is a good player, but too much like Ellis, they are too small to have both of them on the line at the same time.
I also have to add this, I am neither knocking or defending the FO or CS but here is the issue, we were left with a bunch of players from the HERM EDWARDS era. good and serviceable 4-3 defenders. In order for the 3-4 D to work you need a road grader @ DT and at least 2 300lb DE's. Their job would be to keep the O linemen off the LB's by collapsing the pocket and commanding double teams, so that the LB corp can wreak havoc. D-Rob with his ability, his quick 1st step, would be an EXCELLENT 3-4 DE but I tend to believe his lack of height 'might' be a downside as well. In the upcoming draft and FA period we need to address the following issues, a game breaking WR, QB, OL, DL and CB. I still contend that the 10-6 season we had last year was a testament to our soft schedule and to the CS being SMART ENOUGH to know their limitations in the 2nd 1/2 of the season, dumb down the playbook to fit the players they had. I believe with only 2 drafts under their belt and not a whole lot of cap room in their 1st season and a soft schedule, the FO and CS did the best they could with what they had. But the CS and FO dropped the ball not addressing the needs of this team in the past off season. I'm NOT sure I remember but what did the DL possibilities look like during this past FA period? I am not sure. And they were less than aggressive going after A. Thomas and if not MOSS some other game breaking WR and allowing them to go north of I-95 to the HATED Patriotsats_suck: I believe that Ellis, Vilma, D-Rob, maybe even Barton and Hobson, are ALL excellent 4-3 defenders but in order for our D to have ANY success we truly need to address our DL and replace 1/2 our starting LB corp. And as far as on offense unless this kid Clemens gets a clue, he is NOT our answer to QB of the future. At this point he's not much better than Brooks Bollinger for GOD's sake. We need work and unfortunately I think its going to take an AGGRESSIVE off season, or at least 2 more seasons to get this team where it needs to be or to scrap the play books in general and start over. Just my honest opinion.
maybe a canadian football league team would give us a 2. this guy stinks. why would we get rid of him?
Don't think that is true. If the DL is not doing its job, why don't guys like Hobson and BT have more tackles.? If the line isn't holding up, the LBs should be piling up tackles. Don't tell me that 5 OL are blocking 3 DL and 4 LB. Only Harris is doing his part. Thomas and Hobson just plain stink.
