Twins, Yankees discussing Santana trade

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  1. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    They definitely were willing to accept a deal without Kennedy but instead of him they wanted both Jackson and Horne and then the Yankees said they weren't willing to trade either of them much less both. I saw the name of the one and only guy they would add as the third player and none of us have ever heard of him. I'll see if I can find it again.
     
  2. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    What a shame. We lost Andy Phillips today. They attempted to designate him and he refused making him a free agent. He must have had no options left. Now they need a first baseman too. They have Giambi and..uh, Giambi. I suppose they could resign Menky but they didn't seem to have much interest in doing that.
     
  3. ollie

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    don't they still have doug whats his name?
     
  4. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    No..he is a FA and they don't seem interested in signing him.
     
  5. dwalsh

    dwalsh 2006 TGG.com Rookie of the Year Award Winner

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    We also have Shelley Duncan and Wilson Betemit
     
  6. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Duncan has some pretty serious circulation problems I have been reading. Not sure where he stands for next year. Betemet can't possibly play first very often. We really don't have any first basemen at the moment except Giambi.
     
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    if giambi can play first betemit can play first
     
  8. AlioTheFool

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    That sucks. I actually like Phillips. A very good bottom of the order guy.

    As was said Mientkiewicz is a FA, and it's not because we had no desire to bring him back. He flatly stated when Joe was not brought back that the only reason he came to the Yankees in the first place was to play for Torre.

    Giambi is done. Betemit is not an every day player. Duncan is too awkward to play first regularly.

    We have no first baseman right now.
     
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    Maybe it's time to give Posada some time at first.... It'll save him some wear and tear so he'll be ready to catch in the playoffs
     
  10. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    I saw this yesterday and forgot about it. As you would have thought the deadline on the Santana talks was only a deadline for the winter meetings, so he is still very much in play as far as the Yankees are concerned.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...nk_steinbrenner_door_still_open_for_jo-3.html

    "The only reason I made a point of a deadline on Santana was that I didn't want to get caught up in the circus of the winter meetings. The purpose of that deadline was trying to get something done before the winter meetings."

    So, if nothing else that would make you believe that the Yankees offer of Hughes and Cabrera is still on the table and that is the best offer they have. It insures that Boston won't be able to steal him and if they really want him they will have to pony up Ellsbury and Lester in order to get him.
     
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    Ugh, enough already! Keep the kids! Honestly, I think Santana's year last year was NOT a fluke, and he's going to go downhill fast. It's time to work with the farm we've raised.

    If they really want a "star" type of pitcher via trade, look at Bedard/Haren, and when the demands for them come in around the same as Santana, wake up and realize that there's a good chance you have two guys who could be Cy Young candidates for a long time already with the club.

    This team is doing everything they can to force me to stop following them.
     
  12. Don

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    The Orioles have pretty much made it clear they won't trade Bedard within the division so that would mean a 3 team deal to get him which is unlikely. Oakland wants even more for Haren then the Twins want for Santana.

    I don't care about getting Santana either, I just want to make sure the Sox can't steal him for next to nothing. That's really what this is all about. If they do you may end up not wanting to follow the Yankees anyway. At least not for the next 3 or 4 years.
     
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    dwalsh 2006 TGG.com Rookie of the Year Award Winner

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    looks like Santana wants to be a Met after all...

    http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/08/buzz-santana-wants-to-be-on-the-mets/
     
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    He lead the league in WHIP last year and had a top-10 ERA. And he's 28. I don't think he'll regress...
     
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    dwalsh 2006 TGG.com Rookie of the Year Award Winner

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    he's been steadily regressing since 2004. With that said, he's still one of the top-pitchers in the game
     
  16. Barry the Baptist

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    Ughh as a Mets fan I'd be weary of the source of that article. Honestly I don't think the Mets have enough to get him. I think Humber, Pelfrey, Mulvey and whatever prospects the Mets have just arn't quite as great as we were led to believe. Although I've heard the Twins love Carlos Gomez.
     
  17. Don

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    Sounds good to me..
     
  19. dwalsh

    dwalsh 2006 TGG.com Rookie of the Year Award Winner

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    Since becoming a full-time starter, Johan Santana had his lowest ERA+ by 25 points... and 27 points below his average ERA+ since becoming a starter

    Also, his WHIP was .0825 higher than his average as a starter, and .076 worse than his career worse as a starter. It has also been steadily decreasing since 2004. His projected WHIP for 2008 is 1.124, a career bad
     
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    Santana's WHIP and BB/9 rate have increased slightly each of his last 3 years, but so has his K/9 rate. And all of the trends have been so slight that, looked at in the light of how incredible his numbers are anyway, it hardly matters.

    The biggest problem this year was that his home runs spiked by about 10 from the average of the 3 years prior, but I think that could be something of an aberration, seeing how similar the rest of his peripherals were.

    My point is, I think we're nitpicking here. He's the best pitcher in the game and still has a few more years of that position, plus plenty more as a top-flight guy, remaining. Especially if he moves to the NL.
     

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