It doesn't. It's just funny because why on earth would somebody with a subpar offer ever put a deadline on it? That would be ridiculous.
Obviously the Twins aren't blown away with the Yankees offer either or it would have been done already. The Sox not forcing the Twins hand makes it more likely they'll get Santana. Maybe not but it makes it more likely you won't get him.
I still think we will get him before the night is over. If we don't we will move on. ESPN also believes the Twins will decide before the night is over. BYW, that is the only comment I have seen on ESPN about this all night so whatever dwalsh heard he misunderstood.
they are both sub par offers, actually I wouldn't be suprised if the Twins prefer the red sox offer if it really is Elsbury, lowrie, Masterson adn another Prospect. The Twins need positional player much more than pitching, they actually have very good prospects there. All along We have heard that they might prefer ellsbury to hughes. Lowrie could be their starter right now at 2b over castilla, and Ellsbury certainly starts in CF where he is certainly a better option than anyone they have or cabrerra. Hughes is very high upside, but they do have liriano, bonser, slowey and baker with durbin swarzdak and perkins coming up. Most of the Twins top prospects are Pitchers. The Sox would send them starters at 2 positions with almost no service time, the twins like masterson as a setup guy. The Yankees offer fills a hole in Center, bu tis almost entirely predicated on Hughes reaching his potential, and reaching it fast. Edit: I've decided to flesh this out some more.\ Going by Baseball prospectus Ellsbury is a 5 star prospect, with Lowrie being 4 star and masterson also 4 stars. Hughes doesn't qualify, but was a 5 star last year. cabrerra obviously doesn't qualify. the Twins want one of the yankees 4 star guys. Kennedy, tabata, jackson horne. the yankees won't part with any of these. Hughes is a higher rated 5 star than ellsbury, but masterson and Lowrie are right there with any of the yankees except perhaps jackson who some scouts love. These are fairly even deals, it's really a question of whether they want to take a shot at a cost controlled Ace, or go for young cost controlled potential star position players.
I agree 100 percent. Ellsbury and Lowrie gives them two bats who can start immediately at premium positions (CF and SS) with a lot higher upside than any Yankee bat reportedly on the table.
At this point, it looks like we're going with Wang, Pettitte, Hughes, Chamberlain, Moose, with Kennedy learning, and maybe even the 6 man I had talked about. The Santana deal is probably off the table for us. Good. I don't want to sacrifice Hughes. Even Cashman said he's not comfortable with losing Hughes. I had a feeling he was one of the dissenters in the internal conversation. I'm seeing the Mets are the frontrunners for Bedard. That's okay too. I would have loved him, but the Os want a package like the Santana deal, and Oakland wants the same for Haren. Screw both of them. As I've said, I'll sacrifice 2008 for future benefit. The kids are key to the long-term success of the club.
We've been on the same page on the this from the beginning of all of this... I was NEVER in favor of a deal for Santana... even at the risk of sacrificing one more year for the long term... I really don't think Santana will move this year... which is better for him to go on the open market next year when we can outbid everyone... That I'll be in favor of....
I don't know. Boston is in the driver's seat right now. They have the best chance to repeat that we've seen since our teams in the 90s. The Twins have to move Santana. He's not resigning with them, so they'll lose him next year for nothing. They may as well get something for him. Either way is fine with me. If he hits the market, I like our chances bidding against the Sox. Either way we're okay. If they trade for him, fine. They lose multiple high-level prospects and hurt themselves for the future. I like the rotation as is now. We're fine, and I'm happy.
I have only seen this here but apparently the Yankees did terminate negotiations last night as they said they would are now moving on to Haren. Not thrilled they are still talking about Cabrera, Hughes and two more in that deal though. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...sources_yankees_passing_on_johan_santana.html Seems they may already have a deal in their back pocket for Haren based on what Steinbrenner says here. ""I don't want to comment on anything today. We've got a lot of stuff going on," Steinbrenner said late in the afternoon. "Tomorrow, we'll know everything." However, that statement was made before the Yankee source's comments leaked out." Ugh..but this says it's still alive as the Twins backed off their demand for Kennedy early this morning. Personally, I might add Horne but not Jackson or Tabata. I read where a couple of AL GMs project Horne as a 5th starter. When did we ever care about a 5th starter? http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/04/s...tml?_r=2&ref=baseball&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Hughes is all upside too, I'd say crisp, who is now in the deal is better than cabrerra right now, lester and Hughes have very similar performance, but hughes upsode is much higher. for example, hughes had an ERA of 4.46 with a whip of 1.28 and a k/9 of 7.18 lester was at 4.57, 1.46 and 7.16 does that mean you think they have equal value? are they of the same value as wandy rodriguez? 4.58, 1.32 7.78? of course not, a team like the twins trying to build for the future looks at age and potential along with performance.
Crisp is more expensive then Cabrera, that's about all. Other then that they are pretty equal. Hughes and Lester are similar but I would take Hughes in a heartbeat between the 2. As would just about anybody else in baseball.
I know, that was my point, you tried to degrade the red sox package as having not accomplished anything in the bigs, when neither has hughes.
Don't forget Justin Masterson. He is 6ft6in. 245 lbs and projects as a number 2 starter or dominant reliever AND Jed Lowrie, who is a 23 year old swith-hitting shortstop that hit 300 in AAA with some pop.
never heard of him..who can watch the national league? I odnt even know whos on the mets. does keith hernandez still play for them?
