What is the point of bringing up Northwestern if I already told you that they are terrible. With all those pac 10 wins you are talking about those teams ended up being terrible and a lot of them canceled out their good wins with terrible losses. We'll truly see which conference is stronger by the time the bowl season is here because your argument is weak, bring up bad teams wins is useless if they are terrible at worst you can say that the bottom of the big ten is mediocre, I know I can tell you that the bottom of the Pac 10 is bad the record says it clear as day.
I don't know what the spread was and I don't care, App State lot twice after beating Michigan so this wasn't some unstoppable juggernaut from 1-AA. They tied w/ Wofford for the Southern conf title and they lost to Wofford who gt crushed by the only 1A opponent they faced- NC State. OK so if a crippled team is useless as far as good teams go we can call Oregon a mediocre-bad team then, right? Well that mediocre-bad team smoked the Big 10's 2nd place team. The top of the conferences are NOT equal, the PAC 10 is clearly superior How does the bot of the Pac 10 not match the bot of the Big 10? Explain this to me? Pac 10: Cal: good wins- beat #14 Tennessee, at #18 oregon(when they were healthy) Bad losses- at Wash, at Stanford Wash State: good wins- UCLA, bad losses- NONE Stanford: good wins- at #8 USC, bad losses- Wash, Wash St, ND Wash: #24 Boise State, bad losses- AZ, Wash St Wins vs. ranked teams: 4 bad losses: 7 good non-conf wins: 2 bad non conf losses: 0 Big 10: Minnesota: good wins- NONE, bad losses- Bowling Green, FAU, Purdue, Indiana, NW, North dakota State NW: good wins- NONE, bad losses- DUKE, Purdue Purdue: good wins- NONE, bad losses- Mich State, Indiana Indiana: good wins- NE, bad losses- NW wins vs ranked teams: ZERO bad losses: 11 good non-conf wins: ZERO bad non-conf losses: 4
What is the point of bringing up Northwestern? So bowl season will tell us? like last year when the Big 10 went 2-4? and USC crushed michigan while UF humiliated OSU?
I made a mistake about Northwestern thinking of Minnesota, however when UCLA could still win the conference at 7-5 that alone tells you the strength or lack there of a conference, and bringing up last year is absolutely meaningless since more teams are going to bowls and that alone tells you that the conference is getting stronger. And my argument is simple, it is not possible to prove that a team with a 4-8, 5-7 record is better than a 6-6, 7-5 record simple as that, you could bring up non conference schedules but you yourself should that their good wins were canceled out by their terrible losses. And MSU could have easily been 10-2 or 11-1 with more experience so I wouldn't call them bad.
This argument is simple as this, if the Big Ten shows up since most of the bottom of the Big Ten are going to bowls then you have to admit that you are wrong and if they don't then it will show that they are clearly overrated. But it is impossible to tell me that a team that is 6-6 is worse than a team that is 4-8 in major conferences.
Michigan is better than UCLA, the same UCLA that lost to ND, the same ND that got killed by Michigan, please stop this part of your argument because it just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. If Mich won they'd be 9-3, If UCLA won they'd be 7-5 did you miss that part of of grade school math?
You don't seem to understand the records are meaningless, they don't play even schedules so the fact tha Mich would have been 9-3 and UCLA 75 is irrelevat. Mich lost to a Div 1AA team, let that sink in. As bad as ND is they are better than App State and Michigan was humiliated at home by the 4th place team in the Pac 10, a team UCLA beat. Michigan STINKS, hey had agood record b/c they beat up bad Big 10 teams. UCLA gotbeat up in conf b/c the played better teams. Neither team is very good but CLA was 5th in their conf while Mich was 2nd in theirs.
They should let Hawaii in the BCS title game. I know they played squat for competition but they're undefeated and should get a spot just for that reason.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-bcs3dec03,1,710352.story?coll=la-headlines-sports Ohio State vs. LSU - BCS Championship Game USC vs. Illinois - Rose Bowl
yeah, but they struggled with an awful Washington team from the awful Pac 10. Ohio State is overrated, and so is LSU, but them facing each other represents everything that is wrong with college football because if they do play it represents contradictory practices in the polls. Ohio St didn't play anyone but will be there simply because they only have one loss, but Kansas, which is in the same boat, will not just because the polls don't want to see them in the game or believe they deserve it. but there isn't any difference between the schools. so, on one hand they want to say how many losses a team has should determine it, but will only do so for particular teams. LSU, though, will get there, despite having more losses but the pollsters prefer to see them in the game and believe they are the best team despite the fact that they have struggled in many of their games. the process is arbitrary and only comes down to who the pollsters believed should be playing BEFORE the season ever starts and they will manipulate their votesto make that come to fruition at the end of the season.
as a UCLA alum I regretfully agree, UCLA is absolute garbage and ar worse than Michigan. they only beat Oregon because Oregon was playing with their 3rd string QB. hopefully we don't accept a bowl game just so we can fire Karl Dorrel and never have to see him coach a game ever again - he is easily one of the worst coaches in Division I football. when you stop a team on third down, you don't take a penalty that doesn't take your opponent out of FG range and give them another chance to score a TD like Dorrel did yesterday, and which USC cashed in on. off topic, I know, but I had to vent.
now i wouldnt say they killed them, sure the final score looks alot worse than what the game really was, but we were up late in the 3rd quarter. that aside, ohio state deserves to be in. they are a good football team whose only loss came to Illinois, who is also very good. It really baffles me why the big 10 gets absolutely no respect in any sport. It must be cause we're in the midwest and if your not on the east coast, west coast, or in the SEC no one gives a damn.
It should be Hawaii , but the hacks haven't got the balls to rank teams correctly. Hawaii are playing in a wek div , now theres a chance for them to prove everyone wrong
They tied for 2nd and why does OSU get to the title game playing a crappy non-conf sched along w/ a weak conf when Kansas also lost game and lost on a nuetral field to Mizzou who beat illinois who beat OSU in Columbus?
It's a bit after-the-fact but I had to rep my UGA Bulldogs. It's such BS. Ohio state will get creamed again by The SEC.
