http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Twins-Braves-Rangers-all-interested-in-Coco-Cr?urn=mlb,54117 http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pl...news.asp?sport=MLB&id=3522&line=226657&spln=1 http://www.startribune.com/blogs/neal/?p=264&loc=interstitialskip http://www.boston.com/sports/baseba.../reporting_dates_are_adjusted_for_japan_trip/ I could give more, but that should be enough. The Twins have been interested in Crisp in some capacity all along.
Show me some where they will accept him as part of a Santana trade? That is what we are talking about here. I'm sure I can find plenty of links if I must where they say they have no interest in him in that context. I'm also sure you know that yourself but prefer to live in a dream world.
Sportscenter reporting (right now) that both Boston and NY have submitted new packages this morning. No other news. update: Sportscenter now saying the Twins will settle for nothing less then two young star players from either team. Meaning probably Buchholz and Ellsbury from Boston or Hughes and probably Cano from the Yankees. If they don't get it they may very well just keep him and try to win with him this year.
Hmm, seems to me you meant that they had no interest at all. I don't know what gave me that idea. Maybe it was quotes like this from you... Or this one... Why couldn't you find the link? Oh yeah, because you made it up. You always do that. Make up nonsense, claim you "read it somewhere" but can never find the link. Maybe this was more what you had in mind though... Seems to me saying the phrase "any deal" includes deals not for Santana.
Isn't this whole thread about trading for Santana? I guess I shouldn't expect you to remember that. It's more convenient to make it into what you want it to be, right?
devil I think youre being very naive regarding beckett wanting to reneg if santana gets huge money....whether or not boston does is certainly another issue....but becketts gonna say" what the fuck, I quarterback this team to a championship and now this guys is making twice what I make.....money first dude. especially since he has two rings now.....you cant tell me hes a humanitarian and hes not gonna want more money...I would
Haren has officially been put on the market. Much cheaper alternative to Santana both in players that it would cost and salary. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/11/30/haren/index.html The A's have contacted at least the Mets, Yankees and Red Sox -- three teams that also have showed interest in Santana -- about Haren, who was 15-9 with a 3.07 ERA in 2007. Maybe that's why Boston and NY are hesitant to get taken by the Twins. I'm sure the Twins hate this. Add Bedard to the mix and they must be seething. The A's are thought to be seeking from the Red Sox center fielder Jacoby Ellsbury -- who's currently the sticking point in Boston's bid for Santana -- plus either of two top young pitchers, Clay Buchholz and Jon Lester. Oakland is believed to have its sights on one or more of the Yankees' three top young pitchers -- Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy. From the Mets, among those expected to interest Oakland include pitchers Mike Pelfrey and Kevin Mulvey and outfielders Carlos Gomez, Fernando Martinez and perhaps Lastings Milledge. The Red Sox offered a package to the Twins including Lester and center fielder Coco Crisp, but Minnesota has been asking that Ellsbury be part of a deal for Santana. While the Twins inquired about Crisp weeks ago in anticipation of losing Torii Hunter, they appear to be focused on Ellsbury in talks so far. <<< See that Devil.
I'd be hesitant to say Haren will be much cheaper in terms of cost in a trade. The A's control him for 3 more seasons so there's less incentive to deal him.
If Ellsbury is a deal breaker, then this deal is broken. Ellsbury is untouchable. I think maybe the Twins are asking for the Sun, but may have to settle for the moon. I think the Yankees need Santana much more than the Red Sox do, but can't afford to give up the talent as easily as the Red Sox can. I will be thrilled if the Sox get Santana, but if they insist on Ellsbury, they can suck it. I'll enjoy rooting against Santana in pinstripes if that's the case.
the more I htink of this whole situation the more retarded its becoming....baseball is turning into a joke....every team that is faced with actually paying a player these ridiculous salries that they now get simply call the yankees and red sox and say....who wants him....whos giving up who....its kinda silly.....a part of me wants the sox and yankees to tell the twins to go fuck themselves
That's life. There is no salary cap in baseball. The Yankees will soon be spending 500 million a year to keep winning it...at some point, the Red Sox will not be able to keep close to Steinbrenner's spending, and then it will be a one team league. I would MUCH prefer a salary cap....but it will never happen in baseball, because the controlling interests in baseball have the money, and the player's union is too strong and will never accept it.
That is the point I'm getting to as well. Seeing the Sox get fleeced never hurts my feelings, but come on. At some point, this joke has to end. It's basically turning into baseball's Cold War, and it's getting ridiculous. Obviously I don't want Santana to go to Boston, but at this point, I'm actually hoping he just plays out next year, and goes to the open market. As I said the other day, the Twins were overplaying their hand, and with the market opening to Bedard and Haren, it may be too late for the Twins to demand anything. Even if Santana winds up in Boston, I hope it's as a free agent after the '08 season. The Twins deserve everything they get at this point, and I don't mean a package including names like Ellsbury or Hughes. BTW: At some point, the rest of the league is going to start getting pissed off too. Parity is enough of a problem in the league already. The Sox and Yankees outbidding everyone, simply because they can, is eventually going to wear on the nerves of a couple dozen owners trying to field competitive teams.
To some degree that appears to be happening which is why the latest rumor is that they may keep him. At least until the deadline I presume.
He can wish he made more all he wants, the point is, he's under contract so there's nothing he can do about it. He can't demand a trade, and he can't hold out, so basically, he's screwed if that's how he feels. You also have to remember he signed his deal during a season where he posted an ERA of 5.00. If he waited until after this year he would have made more, but he chose not to. He chose a guaranteed $10 million a year for 4 years over the chance of getting hurt and/or sucking and making far less than that. And as for not wanting more money, he's already shown that that's not the biggest factor for him by signing in the first place. He could have gotten more, but chose to take the Sox offer, against the advice of his agent. To me, that shows he's not after the very last dollar.
I wasnt saying hes gonna demand a trade...although he COULD if we wanted to even if you say he cant...what Im sayin is maybe this makes a very unhappy beckett.....that cant be good
This is not earth shattering news but Heyman decided to write it now for some reason. I swear we know more then they do most of the time. "Twins want Hughes from Yankees Including young right-hander might land Santana" "Yankees people are debating now whether to give in to Minnesota's demands that Phil Hughes be included in trade talks involving Johan Santana. If the Yankees ultimately surrender Hughes, league sources indicate they have a decent chance to complete a trade for baseball's best pitcher." http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/11/30/santana.update/index.html I hope they don't give them Hughes. The Yankees offer is still better then Boston's even with Kennedy. Let them take that, or Boston's or keep him and then we sign him in the off season.
ok i agree with you on the lowrie part, he has more value to the twins as he is more developed and plays a position they need. i will stand by my opinion that tabata is a better prospect overall, but he has a lot of development to undergo before he is ready for the majors. Tabata has very little service time compared to lowrie so you have stats to consider with him but tabata is a highly regarded prospect simply because of ceiling and potential. You're right, tabata might not pan out if he doesnt develop power, but scouts project him to. i dont know much about young player devlopment and i havent seen tabata play so im just going on what the scouts say. he should be able to recover from his injury and he would be a very good player if he can get some power to complement his other tools. you put together a good case for lester and i now think more of him as a prospect (especially due to the cancer and the recovery, which i didnt take into account.) however i think you're looking at kennedy wrong. his 1.66 K/BB was at the mlb level (those 3 starts) while his minor league K/BB was 3.26. you also have to look at the fact that he held opponents to a .182 avg in the minors and .191 in the majors. thats above average and combine that with the fact that his K/9 was 10.18 last year. he is a strikeout pitcher but gets underrated because he doesnt throw ridiculously hard. (he still throws 90 on a consistent basis and can get it up to 92). but he has great offspeed pitches and he uses those plus his great command to strike batters out. here: http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/news/top50/y2008/ this is MiLB's top 50 prospects list that just came out with kennedy at #26. ellsbury is 13 and bucholz is 6 and Joba 5, so you cant say that kennedy isnt a great prospect when he isnt that far behind those guys.
