im not sure that scenario weighs towards boston. I think Hughes is the best of the pitching prospects there and melky is considerably better than coco.
thats a steal for boston...player-wise...who knows about the contract for santana....I cant see that being enough to land johan
Seriously, if that's the deal Boston gets away with for Santana, I'd be pissed if I were the Yankees. Basically, the Twins would be saying "We wanted your best young players, and since you don't want to give them up, we'll hand him away to your worst rival." Go ahead Twins. Anger the Yankee Juggernaut. That's just what the new Steinbrenner regime needs to go buckwild.
Isn't Crisp due to earn 12 million next year? That makes that deal unfathomable for the Twins. This is all about money afterall or Santana wouldn't even be on the block.
That article probably has as much true knowledge in it as all the others written today. Not to mention that it has been written a dozen times that the Twins have absolutely no interest in Crisp at all.
good point don. If its true, im not sure. crisp at 12 mil is very unappetising....but the latest article that SJ posted makes it a different story
A lot of prospect's being thrown their way, but I agree with you keeping Ellsbury & Buchholz would be a win in my book. And a rotation starting with Beckett and Santana would be as menacing as a lineup that includes Ortiz & Ramirez. :beer:
Wouldn't it be in the Twins best interests to plant a ridiculous story like that in the local paper? They want Ellsbury and Buchholz but are willing to settle for Crisp and Lester. Ridiculous. The ONLY way that could be true is A) The Yankees have refused to part with ANY of their young pitchers and B) Both the Angels and the Dodgers have said shove Santana up your ass. All three have a lot more to offer then that package. I was wrong, he has 13+ million total left on his contract. Two years and a buyout. Covelli Crisp of 3 years/$15.5M (2007-09), plus $8M 2010 club option signed extension 4/06 $1M signing bonus 07:$3.5M, 08:$4.75M, 09:$5.75M, 10:$8M club option ($0.5M buyout) 1 year/$2.75M (2006) re-signed 2/06, avoided arbitration ($3.05M-$2.35M) 1 year/$0.3649M (2005), re-signed 3/05 1 year/$0.3194M (2004), re-signed 3/04 agent: Steve Comte ML service: 3.158 http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2004/12/boston-red-sox.html
If you are Hal Steinbrenner, you have to be saying to yourself, no way in hell does Santana go to Boston; which is why, if Minny plays it smart, they will extract a very large price in prospects from the Yankees.
I'm sure that's the point of that story. It's Hank and not Hal however and according to Hank it is Cashman doing the talking with Minnesota. He is staying out of it.
I was ready to post the article, but Sunday Jack beat me to it. Anyway, I would LOVE that trade, and it makes sense to both sides. Twins- Get a top prospect for short who is ready to play now with ZERO service time toward arbitration, a relatively cheap Gold Glove caliber CF with speed and flashes of decent hitting, a young, cheap, pretty good lefty with postseason experience to replace Santana, and another pretty highly regarded pitching prospect. Red Sox- Upgrade Lester to Santana, get rid of Crisp to make room for Ellsbury, and give up a SS who is good, but blocked by Lugo anyway, and a pitcher who would probably be blocked from the rotation anyway with Beckett, Santana, Matsuzaka, and Buchholz locked in for years and other guys like Bowden on the way. Also all but guarantees a stranglehold on the division for a while.
Show me where it's not. The Twins would be filling just about ALL of their holes for this year, getting the Sox's #3 and #4 prospects (behind Ellsbury and Buchholz, who may not even be considered prospects anymore really, so it could be said it's the top 2 minor leaguers), and a solid replacement for Santana, all within their price range, and all but Crisp still a few years away from arbitration. For a small market team, that means a lot. Please, show me where it's a bad deal for either side.
You're not serious, are you? Everybody (Yankees, Mets, Angels and Dodgers) are willing to give much more then that. That's like the Yankees offering Kennedy and Damon and a couple of throwins and our throwins are better. I mean really. Why would they want your backup center fielder and your 5th starter, both of which you are just trying to dump anyway to make room for others? That for arguably the best pitcher in baseball? I don't think so.
No, it's not. Are you offering a major league ready shortstop who hits for average and power (a position of need for the Twins) with no service time? Are you offering one of the best defensive centerfielders in baseball (another position of need) with a reasonable contract? Are you offering a young lefty starter who throws in the mid-90's and won the clinching game of the World Series (who is more advanced and Major League ready than Kennedy, and probably has better stuff) who is still not arbitration eligible? Plus another pitcher who had more Ks than IP in AA last year? I understand you probably haven't ever heard of Lowrie and Masterson, but they're very good prospects. It's not always just about the players, it's also about money, and if the team has a need. Some of the guys being offered by other teams are a year or two away from the Majors, while 3 of the 4 from the Sox are ready now, with two of them already established. The Twins take that into account too, along with overall talent.
Our CF is better then Crisp. He led MLB in assists despite only playing 130 games at CF. He hits better and drives in more runs too. We are offereing a much better pitcher in Hughes and I have no idea who the throwins are. Could be Jackson, Tabata or any number of second tier pitchers who all have major league experience. So, yeah we are offering much more then that. Not to mention they have to pay Crisp 18 million over the next 3 years if they want to keep him. Like I said, get serious. Only a Sox fan could see that as a good deal for both sides. And unless you are serious about a 6 man rotation and all the problems that may cause you are going to dump Lester and Crisp(which is no secret) anyway.
first off, masterson had a bad year last year and he only had 1 K more than innings pitched. so congrats on twisting that stat. also, i doubt jed lowrie is major league ready. as for the defensive center fielder with a reasonable contract, yes we are offering a better option, melky cabrera. basically what it comes down to: melky cabrera > coco crisp ian kennedy > jon lester alan horne > masterson jose tabata >= jed lowrie this is just in terms of ability, when you bring ceiling and potential into the equation, the yankees are offering a FAR better package then the red sox.
First, Kennedy is NOT better than Lester. He's been labeled a 3 or 4 at best by Baseball America, and that's IF he develops and maintains outstanding command. His stuff has consistently graded out as average. Lester has better stuff and is left handed, which for some reason gives him more value. Second, Lowrie IS ready. He was probably ready at some point this year. He hit .300 or so (.297 at AA, .300 even at AAA) and slugged over .500 (.501 at AA and .506 at AAA). He was 4th in doubles in all of MiLB and 10th in extra base hits, and plays solid defense. He's ready. Tabata is far less proven and much farther from ready with only 1 game above A level ball. He also had a lower OBP (.393 to .363) and a MUCH lower SLG (.503 to .396) at a lower level than Lowrie. Lowrie also plays a premium defensive position that the Twins need to fill now. So I don't see how right now anyone can say Tabata is better than Lowrie. He may project better eventually, but as of now, no way. Those numbers for Tabata are around his career MiLB numbers, and actually have declined a little. Offensively- Crisp- .268 AVG, .382 SLG, .330 OBP, 28 SB, 85 R, 141 H, 28 2B, 7 3B Cabrera- .273 AVG, .391 SLG, .327 OBP, 13 SB, 66 R, 148 H, 24 2B, 8 3B Defensively- Crisp- 416 chances, 1 error, .998 F%, 3.07 RF Cabrera- 405 chances, 4 errors, .990 F%, 2.89 RF They're basically the same player. Crisp is a little faster and has better range, Cabrera has a better arm. Crisp is a little older, but also more established. Either way, neither is that much better than the other to make a difference. Horne is slightly ahead of Masterson, but neither are close to Major League ready, so that's not much of an issue.
