Clemens needs work, but...

We have no game breakers and the line is terrible. We may have to seriously think about drafting a #1 WR next year, I think Coles has maybe one more good season left in him.


I'm not sold on Clemens but he hasn't had a fair shake with this crap line. If he doesn't do well against a below average Miami D next week then its time to worry.

 

It's too early to judge him

It's not like he's playing behind a good OL opening holes for a great running game and gamebreakers at WR. All in all, he's hanging in there.

 

Clemens has not impressed me at all.

 

Is it me or does clemens have a problem with overthrowing his receivers? I've noticed it since his first start in baltimore and then vs Wash and pittsburgh. Today if not for a great catch by baker it would have been another overthrown ball.

 

I don't think Clemens issue is accuracy he was fitting the ball into some tight places today throwing the ball off his back foot. The only thing he might have been able to do was find the receivers better. Were they there and he wasn't seeing them or were they really not there? I think Clemens could do the same thing Romo does if he was in Dallas.

 

i dont really care for the fact at least it seems to me he throws off his back foot way too often. the int today was thrown off his back foot.

i have to wonder why he would have thrown that off his back foot, typically an out route is a timing route, is he too slow to get back and setup or is it just a foolish route with too deep of a drop?

 

All of the above.

look, he is far from a polished, finished product. I recall going back to tc, he had some basic mechanical problems that needed ironing out. Other parts of his game are still raw. He's definitely a work in progress. How much progress he makes by the end of the season is up to him. It's still too early to say how good he'll be, or not.

 

Part of it is probably just bitterness from how this season has turned out. I'll still stick by Clemens not impressing me at all to this point,but he is still just getting started. I'll also admit i'm bitter because i'm a Chad fan and really wanted him to be the guy to win a SB with the Jets. I just get a little ticked on here when i see people bash Chad forgetting the success he has had here. People forget that though his time here is up,he is one of the,if not the most successful qb we have had other than Namath.

 

4th start - he has three more starts to prove that we should NOT draft a QB. He has not done that so far.

 

I'm not going to sh*t on him at this point in time, because it wouldn't be fair, but I have a few gripes about Kellen.

- [It seems] he takes too long to get rid of the ball. It's great he has time, but from what I see, he tends to hold onto it a 'second too much'.
- He tends to overthrow his intended receivers a lot. (It's great to see his arm though).

From what I've been seeing, that's all I have to complain about. I'm a Chad fan, but considering how poorly the team has done this season, I think it was smart having Clemens come in and play the rest of the way. This season, for Clemens, was not to get the Jets back to a respectable record. It is to prep him for next season and the other seasons to come. He's getting good prep going against teams with good records the rest of the way, with the exception of a few.

 

Up to this point he has shown some flashes like the 4th quarter of the Baltimore game but he has yet to put it all together for 60 minutes. Not sure what is fair to expect in his first year as starter. It's not like he is surrounded by a wealth of talent.

 

I agree 100%. It is sad how Jets fans have treated Chad. I would put him 2nd to Namath as Jets QB. I plan on supporting him where ever he goes next season. He will always be one of my favorite players.

 

Please give this "not a QB of the future" nonsense a rest. You tell me what rookie QB of the last 10-15 years would be effective behind this line with this shitty WR corp (without Coles)? Name me one rookie that would be effective? Here is the answer...................


Yeah it is blank because there is not a single freaking one. Ahhh but we can tell he is not the QB of future of the Jets. My god he had no time and no open WR's on the vast majority of the plays. It is pretty clear that offensively the Jets were a college team compared to the Cowboys defense. As usual the Jets D got gassed from being on the field for almost the entire game.

Well it looks like the D is starting to come together. If they can somehow get this O to put up points then the Jets will have a fighting chance. Then again the Jets have been facing a veritable murderer's row of defense's. If the end result is similar against the Dolphins then I will start to worry and side with Bradway and some of the others destroying the CS.

 

I'm not sure if Johnny Unitas in his prime could have QB'd with this group of clowns. I'm thinking the whole thing needs to be blown up and start from scratch.

 

I couldn't focus on the game like I normally do because of the holiday. But the one thing that seemed to standout to me when I was watching was how Dallas was geting pressure with just their front four. A qb has zero chance to be successful if he's under pressure while facing 7 in coverage.

 

I haven't really been around much recently, and I actually thought that the board would be a little more positive about Kellen's future. Not sure why I thought that though, a lot of us here aren't really the most positive people in the world.

Still, I find myself very happy with the way Kellen's played so far in his young career, namely because of two things. Number one, he shows the ability to make very, very difficult throws when all things go right, and number two, the rest of the offense is horrible.

People can throw out how bad the pass defenses he's played against average out to be, or how this team was overrated, or whatever they want; the main fact is that these teams KNEW that the Jets can't run the football whatsoever, they KNEW that this offensive line was dreadful, and they KNEW that Clemens was an inexperienced QB. Still, he almost got us back against Baltimore, and got the Jets twice to OT in two games before Dallas. Sure, the Cowboys blew the doors off of them, but that was to be expected, they are just flat out a much, much better football team.

When it comes to Kellen, there are passes that he makes that just tell me he's got what it takes to be the leader of a great team. Will he ever be a consistent Pro Bowler, putting up 4,000 yards a season? Probably not. But does he have the mindset and skill to win football games? Absolutely.


As for him throwing off of his back foot, it's obvious to say, but that's due to pressure. Even on plays where there isn't a rusher in his face, when the pocket it just being moved backwards it's going to startle any young QB, that's when mistakes are made. The only way to get over that one is to get a better OL, it's not something that can just be shaken off with practice.

 

While Clemens has had some bright moments in the regular season, his play hasn't overwhelmed me. Better than Pennington? Sure. The answer long term? I don't think so. I'm not convinced that he's the guy to lead this team to the next level. This off-season, I want the Jets to do some QB shopping. Of course, they'll focus on the OLB position.

 

So bashing Chad is a reason to be harder on Kellen? That's ridiculous. Chad was bashed because he was bad. We never would have won anything with him. He was a great guy, but hugely overrated. I was disappointed in Kellen today, but he still showed fashes of why he will be a good QB for us, and in my view a better one than Chad ever was.

Don't forget that it is TRULY a baptism by fire to play two of the top 6 teams in the NFL in 4 days. He did not pass the test, but he will learn and be better for it.

 

The thing is, Pennington played behind the same crappy OL, with the same lack of a running game and the same horrible play calling, plus he never got an effort from the defense this year that we have seen the last two weeks. And the Jets won quite a bit with Pennington. All I've seen in Clemens is a guy with a bigger arm who is completely inaccurate. I agree that Clemens should play the rest of the season, but I would not get rid of Pennington yet. Pennington, for all his faults, never played as badly as Clemens has for the past three starts. So is it the team or is the QB? It's kind of hard to tell, isn't it?