The season that never was could end in a 1-15 finish. Yes it is possible that a team that was a 10-6 playoff team last year could be 1-15 at season's end. We all knew a step back was coming this year, but not falling off a cliff. There were no catastrophic injuries to players that caused this but there was certainly poor personnel decisions as well as poor coaching.A 1-15 finish would tell me that there are bigger problems than the 3-4 or 4-3 that need to be addressed. Mangini should be allowed to get this righted but Tannenbaum should be fired. Yes we all know how great Tannenbaum's cap skills are but his personnel decisions leave a lot to be desired. Now we know he's the GM but is he the guy making the personnel decisions? Another year of bad signings could be the last straw for Mangini. Bradway stepped down as GM and moved in to a "cosultant" role. The thought of another year of bringing in mediocre talent makes me cringe. Should Tannenbaum be fired?
Remember though that Mangini and Tannanbaum are apparently making personnell decisions together. How do we know it's not Woody Johnson refusing to pay for players that Eric and Mike want to bring in? On the other hand, I say you have to blame Eric and Mike for brining in Coleman and paying him so damn much to do very little. He hasn't really contributed, and neither has Hicks. Our 2 leading tacklers are rookies....that sure as hell doesn;t say much for the performers or leaders (by example) that we have in the locker room on D. Too bad Chad can't play linebacker...not because he'd be good, but because he has a leader's attitude and out D needs that right now, big time. As for who to fire...hard to say. I say let's see what they do this offseason....we need to land a big F.A. on defense and either LB or DL...we'll see.
Clemens, Harris, Dbrick, Mangold, Revis, and Leon are all great signings. You have to take the good with the bad. Yes there have been mistakes but all teams make some personell mistakes. But not every team signs players like the above ones. Even the Pats make mistakes in their drafts and offseason moves (not this year though lol)
I don't think Tannenbaum should be fired, not in the least. He has had 2 solid, above average drafts. He pulled off a 3 team trade when he dealt Abraham, something that is unheard off in the NFL. And the Jones trade was solid, get a high calibur RB just by swapping 2nd rounders with Chicago. Not that there hasn't been problems. Barlow turned out to be bad, but that trade was done out of neccesity. Schegal not so good. Clarke and Clement, bad. Not addressing the Oline bad. BUT, and this is a big BUT, he is young just like Mangini, they will have growing pains and make mistakes. Granted he needs to evaluate FA better. But I have a feeling that the organization as a whole is making a concerted effort to build through the draft and not free agency. Bradway, he should have been gone last year.
Coleman leads all defensive linemen (NFL) in tackles. http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...=DEFENSIVE_LINEMAN&season=2007&seasonType=REG
IMO, Coleman will turn out to be a good signing once they get a decent NT to play next to him. Hicks on the other hand just sucks.
Come on lets not let facts get in the way. Despite the fact that Kenyon Coleman was the best and maybe only true 3-4 de available in free agency, does what is required of a 3-4 DE and leads the league in tackles by a DE, he was a horrible signing. The front office should have made a concerted effort to sign Williams, Wilfork or Hampton and have no excuses.
Have we hit rock bottom? Hmm not yet. Change change change , thats been the problem with this organisation for too long. Most of the league has sung Tannenbaums' and Manginis' praises. getting rid of manginis 'right' hand man is a ridiculous idea. Bradway is apparentley a good scout.......is he? Lets settle down stick by our coaches and ride this out. It wasn't all doom and gloom pre-season was it? Give Tannenbaum, Bradway and Mangini a resonable amount of time before firing them out of a cannon.
Lets see what happens this offseason. If they make another set of headscratching moves in the face of the obvious, glaring deficiencies, then it will seem to me that we are right back in the Coslet/Mike Hicks days, when their truly was no discernible plan. And if that comes to pass, I reluctantly say we need to clean house. Again.
Wow...I had no idea....maybe he's making them 5 yards down field tho.... I am frustrated that our D-line still sucks bringing so many D-linemen into camp....Coleman took the brunt...
That's what happens when teams run at you preferentially over and over again. Teams are running away from Ellis, Barton and Thomas and running at Coleman, Vilma (now Harris) and Hobson. Last time I looked, after game 4, the opponents were running to their left (Coleman, Vilma, Hobson and D-Rob) 61% of the time and running right (Ellis, Barton, Thomas and D-Rob) 39%. That's a huge split and tells you where opposing offenses think the Jets big weakness lies this season. Barrett and E.Coleman also had more tackles than Revis and Rhodes at that point and they covered the overspill on that side. Obviously with both Barrett and E. Coleman not starting at this point the numbers are different.
There you have it DRob sucks....Teams run at him 100% of the time :rofl2: Drob deserves way more credit than he gets here....IF he was opposite Coleman, with a NT in the middle he'd be a beast. When you watch the film, he's doing a pretty fair job, despite being undersized.
According to football outsiders, this is the breakdown against the NYJ Code: LE LT M/G RT RE 8% 19% 48% 16% 8% LE = left end (off tackle left) LT = left tackle M/G = middle/guard RT = right tackle RE = right end (off tackle right) These runs are from the perspective of the OFFENSE, so a run listed as LEFT TACKLE is actually at the RIGHT defensive end. *Numbers may not add up to 100% due to carries listed without direction. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl.php I can't speak towards the accuracy of these numbers but it was the only breakdown I could find quickly while at work.
Footballoutsiders stats are usually pretty accurate. That suggests that the opponent's tendencies have changed pretty dramatically in the last 5 weeks. The total yards per carry in each lane is fairly consistent except for the runs outside to the right, which are actually being defended almost competently. The numbers straight up the middle are lower due to the fact that this is where all kneeldowns and most short yardage situations are recorded. The new players in the defense since week 4 have all been on the right side of the formation with Dyson replacing Barrett, a slew of players including Eric Smith and Elam replacing E. Coleman and Harri replacing Vilma. This is not surprising given the fact the the far right side of the Jet's run D is the weakest slot on the team, allowing 5.88 yards per rush. That's Kenyon Coleman and Victor Hobson being exposed there. BTW, just looking at the team defense numbers tells us that the Jets are by far the worst defensive team in the NFL, ranking as far behind the Dolphins (8.3% worse) as the Dolphins rank behind the 23rd team Denver. That is an amazing gap and a complete indictment of the current management team who have assembled a historically bad defensive team. Just to back that up, no team in the 10 years that Footballoutsiders has been doing DVOA has accumulated a full season DVOA as bad as the Jets current 26.9%.
I just checked on Kenyon Coleman and he had 28 tackles through the Jets first 4 games, or an average of 7 per game. He's had 23 over the last 5 or 4.6 a game. It would appear that teams have reverted to running strong side behind the tight end more often, as is the norm.
That is pathetic. While I agree our defense is bad, I think the terrible offense and inability to control the clock contributes to these bad stats. In summation, we suck in pretty much all aspects of the game, but at least we're consistent.
The Footballoutsiders numbers very strongly suggest that it's time for Mangini to go. Having subpar talent does not mean you need to be the worst defensive team of the decade. It takes real coaching ineptitude to be this bad without serious injuries. Heck it takes coaching ineptitude to be this bad WITH serious injuries.
