Folks i have read several posts since yesterday PM and i have to say the bipolar nature of this board is showing itself in a big, big way.... actually thats just my way of saying many of you folks are talking/typing out of their proverbial sphincters AND making no sense - which is a tough combo in my book. Here are a few points - in no certain order - several that i have already posted at some point this year. 1. The play of CP last year and this year was OK but overall just not good enough to beat the top 10-15 defenses. You can win with CP if you have a top 10 defense yourself, an above avg OL, and a very goog runnning game. His style limits an offense which has a chain reaction to other phases of the game. 2. the change at qb had to be made asap - the team absolutely has to see what KC has. they have a second round investment here and canno wait longer. 8 games will give us a very good feel for what he brings to the table. if he looks lost (which i do not think will the case) than the jets need a QB whivh may set the team back ANOTHER 2-3 years. 3. in 2 games KC has shown to be competitive, capable of making all the NFL throws, and has good legs. what more do we want from a guy in his second career start. forget the stats, forget the ints, forget the miscommunications those things will even out and improve. we have already seen him be successful on certain plays that CP had no chance on. that simple aspect is enough to keep to watching his development. 4. forget the W-L record - its garbage and will continue to be well into next year. these games are to develop the young guys, starting with the QB, so that the fruits of their work will start to show come the second half of next year. if the jets do indeed go 2-14 - shame on the posters that will say there was no improvement with clemens in there. that will be ignorance at its best. 5. bottom line - this guy can be the real deal. he has a nice combination of talent, feel, and mentality that should allow him to do very well here in NY. his footwork in and out of the pocket, throws on the move and ability to take a hit - are all necessities in todays NFL offenses and it looks like we have a QB that finally has the right combination. try to enjoy the games folks and watch your QB - don't listen to the media, do not read too much internet crap, and forget about the W-L record. jil
Another great post jil. You are spot on as usual. I have been on record as saying I don't think Clemens is the guy, but I really want him to prove me wrong. And it's waaaay to soon to make that evaluation. I like you, will be sitting back watching Clemens develop but also will watch how the team will develop around Clemens - which is just as important.
Yep, there was no reason to keep Chad in anymore, (stating the obvious) because we need to know going into this offseason what kind of QB Clemens is going to turn out to be. The jury is going to be out for another 4 games at least before we can make a semi-accurate evaluation whether or not he should be our starter going into next season...so far all signs point to yes, but there are still 7 games left. We have seen KC go up against two great defense in Baltimore and Washington, and in both games Clemens looked as if he had done this before. By no means did he light up the scoreboard ( who does against these teams, Pats excluded) but he did enough to keep us in the game. Ravens games should have been decided in OT, just like the Washinton game, had it not been for a JMAC implosion. Yesterdays games was a breath of fresh air, but I would have liked to see more downfield action. Regardless, Clemens didnt show much of the happy feet, and had very good pocket presence, and a cannon like release.:beer: I love the fact that he looks to pass first when scrambling out of the pocket, but has the instincts to pick up good yardage. This kid can also take a hit ( As well as dish them out too, if you missed Angelo Crowell get completely dropped last week, that was a highlight to behold!) Lets all keep in mind that he also played this week w/o Coles, which had a significant impact on his ability to pass. Nonetheless, a fine showing against the Skins, He does have all the tools to be the real deal. He just needs to get some confidence back there, and more importantly he needs to get the reps. Once he gets a feel for the NFL and they speed the game is played at, he could very well be a good/great QB in this league. If he doesn't, then we may have a problem and may need to address the QB position again, but I dont see that happening. QFT:up: And there is alot of internet crap out there....NY media isnt much better!
I don't think we saw a lot of downfield throws because the Redskins were trying to put a lot of pressure on the young QB (just like the Jets did against BUF). They were blitzing on a lot of the downs. It certainly didn't help that the Jets, once again, abandoned the run. (who would have thought Kellen would huck it 39 times?!) This also meant that the defense didn't need to worry about the run or even play action. (Notice how the double play action the first play of OT led to Cotchery getting free down the field.) Throw on top of that the absence of Coles and you have all the reasons why the Jets did get to throw it deep. (Not to mention the terrible miscues in the receiving game by Cotchery, Baker, Smith and Washington.)
i think he's ahead of the curve with the 2006 qb draft class, the only one qb doing well there is vince young. he looks much better then cutler did at this point with his decision making. even giving the guy 8 games to judge is not really fair, across town eli still isn't putting up monster numbers and he was an overall number 1.
Eli definitely does not suck. He's really starting to come into his own this year. You're better than that
thats true. but all i'm saying is its harsh to judge somebodys future after only watching them for 8 games. we all have a tendecy to over react cause we're losing. but to take another qb high in the draft when this team has SOOO many other holes after watching kellen play for only 8 games is kinda harsh. and i think he's doing well all things considered, for only his second start he looked better then a lot of other first round qbs.
Notice the smiley, it was meant to be sarcastic. Its the Jets fan inside me that wants to say he sucks :shit: I really thought he sucked before the season started...he is doing much better, I must admit!
That is an interesting point. Vince Young is winning, but leading a pathetic offensive attack except for the emergence of LenDale White. Matt Leinart was pretty much benched then went on IR (a decision he disagrees with) I live outside Denver and (b/c of my wife) watch nearly every Bronco game (unless it conflicts with the Jets. Jay Cutler has a freakin cannon, but he has been pretty disappointing this year even with the team's injuries. However, he has led some 4th quarter game-winning/tying drives. I still think he is the real deal and will be the best when all is said-and-done. Also, he may be out for a few games. Then there is Kellen Clemens. I thought he looked horrible for three quarters against the Ravens and good in the 4th, so i was optimistic. Yesterday, his mobility and presence was impressive. I'd still rank him 3 out of 4 at this point, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is 1 or 2 from that class by the end of the year.
As usual, Jil is spot on. Must come from being both a Jets fan AND a NFL insider of sorts.. I liked what I saw of the kid yesterday and will enjoy watching him develop. I would like to think Tangina will get some help for him PDQ starting with THIS UPCOMING DRAFT. We need Line help on both sides of the ball. If they can do that for KC, we'll be looking at a quantum leap of ability and results in 2008. We still need a bonifide burner on the outside to keep the Db's honest and frankly none of our present corp of Wr's scares anyone. It was fun watching the start of the KC era. In the upcoming years, we'll all be able to say we watched his first two games..
Vince Young, Kellen Clemens, Jay Cutler (has Jeff George written all over him at this point) then Matt Leinart. Young's numbers aren't impressive but he's winning ugly and consistently and has been since his 3rd start last season. He's 14-5 since then. The guy he reminds me a bit of is Terry Bradshaw and I think he's going to be the dominant QB in the AFC when Manning and Brady begin to age out.
I like what I am seeing with Kellen Clemens. But this does not change the fact that it has been our defense and terrible offensive lines that have lost most of the games for us this year. I have watched our Dline get absolutely PLOWED off the line of scrimage this year on every down and I have watch our Oline achieve absolutely NO push for our running game. Most teams simply look bigger, move faster, and pretty much bitch slap us up front on both sides of the ball. If you do not see the above as being the LEADING cause of our problems then you have a lot to learn about this game. PERIOD. I am not saying that the move to kellen at this point was not a good move or was a good move. I am saying that NFL football games are won and lost in the trenches. Upfront on the lines. And we have lost every game in that area and consequently we have lost the games. Kellen Clemens can be the second comming of Steve Young and it would not matter with the problems we have fundamentally. I am sorry but I do not agree with most of your post other then it is good to see what Kellen Clemens has to offer at this point. But other then that the real problems have yet to be address and will continue to make this team struggle. A team who gets beat at the line of scrimmage, can not contain an apponants running attack, can not develop push from the offense to get their own run game going, can not pass rush consistantly, can not run block or pass protect consistantly WILL NOT WIN GAMES IN THE NFL. Marval at our young strong armed QB all you want. The Bangles have a strong armed QB that has some amazing features too. It means nothing without the work upfront. We can watch Kellen get beat down every game until he has lost his spark, heart, and mantality to win games or we can start understanding where winning in the NFL actually starts. The trenches. I swear my wife told me that when we played the Pats in game one their Oline looked like they were going to eat our Dline at the line of scrimmage every down. They were that much bigger then us. They honestly towerd over them. This holds true still and until its fixed we have a HUGE problem that can result in further damage to this team AND our young new QB. Wake up people, this change has plugged a small hole in the HUGE leaky dam that is the NYJets this season.
don't forget former first round picks in carr, eli manning, philip rivers, alex smith. none of them put up huge numbers in their first 8 games. rivers playing with the best running back in the game really hasn't put up huge numbers. at this point in the game i'd say kellen is right up at the top of that list. those drops by cotch didn't help, but don't forget the drop by leon wash, he would've taken that to the house. it was a good throw just a bad break (like this whole season)
What is your obsession with turning every review/critique of Kellen Clemens into an indictment against our dline/oline? I don't really see anyone disagreeing with you - yet you keep on ringing the same bell without realizing that you are preaching to the choir. Please stop derailing KC threads - there are plenty of other threads available to whine about the obvious deficiencies in the trenches.
I have posted twice today about this. Thats an obsession, but people posting over and over and OVER again turning EVERY THREAD into a debate about Chad vs. Kellen is not an obsession? This thread pretty much does the same thing in not so many words. I have no obsession except seeing the Jets return to winning. And a QB change will not get it done.
Is it that unreasonable to expect that the monday after our CS makes a switch at QB that people would be reviewing that QB's play and comparing it to the previous QB? Now as for you wanting to return to winning and how the change at QB won't help that - this has been stated many times but I'll give it the old college try: Most would agree that our problems on dline/oline are glaring and need to be fixed. Every sane/knowledgeable football fan agrees that you can't fix those type of problems in a single offseason - let alone in one week. Most would also agree that Pennington's play over the last season and a half is that of a QB who needs the right situation to be able to win - and we do not have that situation(see paragraph above). That being the case it clearly makes sense to see what we have with KC. In summation: We cannot fix the problem with the oline/dline currently. We might be able to fix the problem at QB. Make the moves you can while you can. So please do everyone a favor and avoid ranting off topic on an issue that most agree with you on.
It's been two offseasons and both sides of the line have only gotten worse, not better. That's where the sirens should be screaming and the bells ringing.
