clemens is doin the damn thing. now just imagine if mangina started him from the baltimore game on like he should have......
He certainly brings something different to the offense. I'd like to see them give him a deep pattern to look at more often. Obviously the Jets are doing the percentage thing in not challenging Taylor and Landry, however Clemens did ok against Ed Reed after he got his feet on the ground.
I've had a feeling that Clemens has been either splitting time or dominating time in practice with the 1st team offense for weeks now. It certainly looks that way.
Single-mindedness like this is why a lot of people just dismiss your opinion. It took Drew Bledsoe's chest cavity getting turned into a Belgian waffle by Mo Lewis to get Tom Brady starting. This is the case with a lot of burgeoning quarterback situations. If Trent Green doesn't go down in the beginning of the 99 season, I doubt Kurt Warner ever wins a Super Bowl or MVP award. Mangini didn't have the convenience of pulling a team leader and great game manager like Pennington due to an extended-time injury, he ended up having to wait until the guy couldn't get anything done. I don't really agree with his decision to wait until Chad had nothing left, but you of all people, you who say that this is the worst coaching job you have ever seen for the Jets, are trusting apparently now your most hated coach's judgment on the talent level of a young QB and are writing him off. Reading your posts is a complete waste of time because I don't enjoy base hypocrisy. Sometimes I think you're Bob Jensen.
Frank winters should be shot. I hate this F*NG guy. Jets recievers being hit +5 yard down field. Last big play, even thebooth was sayin Thomas was held...
Yeah but you guys got away with a huge holding penalty on Andre Carter which led up to your offensive touchdown. Your o-lineman had him by the facemask.
Kellen was ok. he did alotof good and made alot of mistakes. Positives: -He moves around alot better than Chad -Obviously he has a stronger arm -He doesn't seem intimidated ad doesn't dwell on mistakes - Negatives: -He is not an accurate passer, he missed way too many open receivers. -Decision making, he dd try to force a few throws in there but that hopefully will improve w/ experience. -the most troubling part of his game that I see is the way he throws the ball. he starts his motion too low which I think affects his accuracy and will make him susceptible to fumbling when he gets hit. Overall he played well but as we know we have bigger problems than the QB play. I am encouraged by the 4th qtr against Bal and the entire game yesterday, I look forward to seeing him begin to develop the rest of the season.
Not accurate because guys slow down on their routes and aren't where they're supposed to be? Or inaccurate because guys play like their hands are composed of rubber? It's poor decision making trying to thread the needle? That's interesting. Please call Peyton Manning and tell him his decision making sucks. As for his throwing motion, I see nothing wrong with it. He generates velocity with it. Considering he was able to run a few times, and protect the ball simultaneously, I'd say him fumbling any more than, say, Brady or Manning, is not much of a worry.
Even on many completions his balls were high or wide. his has accuracy issues. What does the 2nd best QB of this generation have to do w/ Kellen Clemens? If you don't see anything wrong w/ his throwing motion then I can't help you. He slings the ball more than throws it and fumbling isn't a problem when he is running but when he gets hit from behind or isn' expecting a hit he will fumble it holding the ball that low.
We have a very bad team, yesterday Clemens and Harris were by far the two best players on our team. The guy has a beautiful throwing motion and for a young player with a week with the first unit he played a very solid game with very bad tools around him. It was the best QB'd game we had all year.
Clemens was OK yeterday, 55% passing, 5.4 YPa are not good #s. He played well considering it was start 32 but lets not go crazy and if you think he has a great throwing motion then you do't know wht a great throwing motion looks like. look at that pic, you do not start your motion from that low, it is poor technique.
bla bla bla, Clemens had a good game, he should of started 5 games ago. Would of won a lot of those games we lost. Defense lost the game for us..
Are you serious bro? Have you ever been coached at a level higher than pee wee as a QB? His throwing motion is almost textbook, just like a lot of young QBs, because they get coached to no end... He starts there, whips his arm up so the ball is almost right next to his helmet (very similar to a catcher in baseball) and releases from there... That's EXACTLY what you're taught.... I've been coached by QB coaches at Penn State, among others..... And I see NO problem with his motion.... Get off the crack.... Far as fumbling goes, he has taken some BIG licks in his two starts, including quite a few blindsides, and he hasn't fumbled yet.... His game yesterday was slightly better than I expected from a Qb making his second start against a tough D. There were a few negatives, namely his timing and accuracy was a little off on a bunch of throws, but I expect that to improve... As for your other negatives, you're WAY off base
I definitely thought his decision making was pretty good. He was throwing the ball away when there was nothing there, and he was taking the hits instead of throwing up a prayer.
The one thing I will guarantee you after watching Clemens play against two agressive blitzing defenses is that he will not be a fumbler.
Don't use facts, and intelligent arguments against him. It gives you an unfair advantage. What game were you watching? I was watching the one where he was hitting receivers over the shoulder, in stride. High and wide? I don't even understand how you can make these arguments at this point. You're so obviously wrong, but you continue to fight. I thought you were supposed to be one of the more knowledgable posters on this board? What does the second best QB of this generation have to do with Clemens? 1) If you're saying Brady is better than Manning, you're insane. Brady's got rings, and now a team around him to boost his game. Manning's been playing head and shoulders over everyone since day one, even when the Colts weren't that good. 2) I was countering your stupid point that Clemens throwing a pass into his receiver's chest, even while double-covered, is what the great QBs do. It is not, as you implied, poor decision making, and there is no reason, contrary to your thinking, that it needs "improvement". Your "point" about his throwing motion was already answered above. You're just so used to watching a QB throw jump balls off the wrong foot, you have no clue what a good motion looks like.
you have no clue what you are talking about. Passing the football is not about whipping our arm, you don't start from the belt when throwing a football. The ball needs to be higher. as far as fumbling, no he hasn't yet but I don't recall any blindside hits when he was about to throw, he will easily get stripped w/ the ball being that low when he starts his motion. W/ all that said he played well and I am encouraged- those were just a few concerns I had about him. It may or may not play a role in his success, some QBs hav great form and stink, others have poor form and are great. His form isn't horrible but the ball shouldn't start from that low. I believe it's playing a role w/ his accuracy and again i think he could have fumbling problems holding it that low, he will be stripped. except for the FACT that I am rihtagain. It's common knowledge to anyone who know anything about playing QB. he had a few nice throws but he only completed 54% of his passes, many throws were high or behind receivers(such s theTd to kowaleski and the long ball t oCotch in OT). I guess we were watching different games. i was watching in reality, you were watchng w/ your hatred of Chad in the back of your mind. Brady is w/o a doubt better than Manning, it was proven again yesterday. Manning has always been the better stat QB but that has changed now that TB finally has weapons to throw to and it hasn't compromised his winning at all. Muh like w/ your ARod discussions all you know are fantasy #s, you don't get that these games are more than fantasy #s. peyton has alway put up great #sthen he has faded in january much like ARod fades in october. Brady alwys steps his game up and down 10 on the road against a team like Indy he calmly led them o the win then put Indy away after a peyton blunder. oh that's what great QBs do, silly me I thouht great QBs led their eams to poitns and won games. B/c beamen said so? he doesn't have a clue just like you don't have a clue. QBs should never begin their throwing motion at the hip. if yo knew anything about he QB position you'd know that.
Compare that pic w/ Peyton, notice any differences? Maybe the poor technique they teach at PSU is why they never produce good QBs?
In this next photo you'll notice how, unlike Peyton in the previou photo, KC's arm angle is off a bit, almost a little sidearm action. Did you notice how on top of the ball Peyton is in that pic? and now you see how KC is not. Notice where Brady starts his motion- not at the hip. Peyton is always ready to throw, he doesn't have to sling from the hip. of course there may be times whn he is on the run and his techque suffers a bit but 9 times out of 10 he's ready w/ proper technique and so far w/ KC we haven't seen that:
