A big reason our offensive line is struggling so much is the absence of Pete Kendall. The front office really screwed this one up by not finding a quality replacement. I'm sorry if someone posted this already
It had no effect. I see our problems so far being: Would he have helped Chads arm - NO - no one could help his arm Would he have helps JMac catch that ball in Baltimore - NO Would he provide a push in the middle on defense - NO Would he help Nugent make the field goals hes missed so far - NO Would he have helped the defense make all the tackles we have missed so far - NO Did the FO mess up - Yes - but did it really effect us - NO - we really aren't a worse team without him. We have alot of problems, and with him, we are not much better than our current 1-7 team.
I know there are no real measurable stats, but this O-line played a hell of a lot better with Kendall in there than Adrian Clarke. They are already talking about benching this guy for Jacob Bender.
Yes it was. Simply taking Kendall out of the line automatically makes it weaker. Any O linemen on here? They will tell you weakest link and all that....
Would he help redzone offense, running the ball - Absolutely Would we have to throw fade on 4th and a foot - No Would our power running play be a QB sneak because the only guy on the line that gets a push is Mangold - No
We had 15 rushing touchdowns last year. We have 2 this year and 1 is by Pennington. I would consider that much better.
Kendall is only part of the problem This team overachieved last year, this year we are playing tougher opponets and frankly we are not that good... I still do not see why we extended Moore's contract. I don't see him as a dominent guard today or by 2011. I think it says a lot that no one else offered Anthony Clement a contract. We need to continue to rebuild the line. Has anyone seen the impact of Darian Barnes? Okay, so its not just me. Stacy Tutt another converted QB on the roster. Maybe the offense would be better if we had a FB who can block, catch or carry. I would settle for one at this point. Brad Smith was the slash guy last year and this year people see he is not really special. He is a nice player, but as a 3rd WR, he is really lacking. We need someone who can stretch the field and catch a few passes. Do you feel confident in Smith starting on the other side of Jerricho? QB play- I am glad KC is getting his shot. If he don't show flashes, then we need to go out and get two QB's. One to replace him and one to replace Chad. We brought in Hicks and Bowens to play the DL and what have they contributed? Dewayne is the most movable DL in the game, except financially where his contract and knee issues make him an untouchable. LB's I am really excited at David Harris, he looks really good. I am hoping Hopson & Thomas can really pick it up. DB's they are doing a really good job considering the lack of passrush. Let's face it you can't give NFL QB's this kind of time. We need to try Revis at PR, Leon is not getting it done out there. K/P A little to shaky considering we are in the third year. Banta has been weak with the snaps this year. Do we really need to have a forth TE? Can;t we find a backup OL who can do this?
It had a big effect only because the Jets made the move without even a mediocre replacement on the roster. Adrien Clarke is the worst offensive lineman the Jets have ever started without an injury causing the substitution. I've been watching the Jets for a long time and I've never seen anybody as bad as him start so many games. He makes Jonathan Goodwin look like an all-pro.
Give me a break with this Pete Kendall bullshit. The left side of the line is not any worse this year than last. The reason for this is Brick. Brick is getting better game by game. Clark was abysmal against Buffalo prior to that he had improved. Why he sucked horsecock that game I have no earthly idea. Pete Kendall was/is a gaping asshole. He was a gaping asshole in Seattle, which let him walk, he was a gaping asshole in Arizona which fired his ass and he was a gaping asshole here and the Jets gave him his walking papers. Funny how this great player that would magically fix all that ails this offensive line has been given the boot from 3 different franchises. Ahh but you say that he would have helped Brick and his development. This is not true as I have two words for this BS argument.............. Lomas Brown. The FO/CS had the insight to bring in Lomas to help Brick and guess what? He has improved immeasurably this year. So that is a bogus argument. What the FO fucked up is with Clark, not in getting rid of the POS Kendall. Judging how Tannenbaum has been drafting that 4th round pick might end up making this trade look like a steal. Who was available I have no idea, just that Clark is not the answer. Also I watched the NE game last week and the Redskins O-line looked like complete dogshit. Lets see how great they are this week.
Before anyone throws out stats like well we had 15 rushing TD last year and 2 this year. Well last year Pennington was competent, this year he has been among the bottom 5 QB's in the league. How many times have the Jets been at the 5 yard line or inside of that? I am willing to say a shitload less than last year. Anyway here are the rushing stats for the Jets............. I did not do the work I stole it from another forum where a poster did the research. I am going to quote him to give him full credit and to thank him for it:
I'd love to addsomething to this therad, but you said it all for me. Thanks for keeping me fomr haveing ot type it. :grin:
I can think of 2 glaring times we could not get a yard either on 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1. Against Philly we tie the game if we can get 1 yard couldn't do it in 2 plays and the CS had no faith in the line and had to throw a fade. That should say everything you want to know about the line. Also, against Cincy in the 1st quarter we had a 3rd and 1. Ran the ball and got stuffed. 4th and 2 feet ran the ball and got the 1st down by 3 INCHES. If you think this line isn't bottom 5 in the league, you are delusional. Maybe the line is almost as good as last year because of progress of Brick and Mangold, but they would be that much better with Kendall. I thought it might have been the right move at the time, but after they renegotiated with Moore, they turned into hypocrits.
The numbers do not lie, this line is not any worse off than last year. If you want to argue that the loss of Pete Kendall meant the difference between being 1-7 and 2-6 you are the delusional one! The line is not good but it was not good last year either. The QB play is absolutely atrocious. I know people can not hear this about Chad but fact of the matter is, he was horrible. Now add 8-9 players in the box and presto you have a shitty offense made even shittier. I was not even arguing that this line is good or not. Pete Kendall would mean nothing right now. Last thing...............Funny we did not hear him whinging about contracts after 2005 season when they were going to cut his sorry ass. Nor did we hear about that again in 2006 when he got 5.9 mil up front to restructure the deal even though Mangini was close to cutting him when he came in. Funny thing when you add 1.7 mil plus 5.9 you get a 3.8 mil average. No that was not good enough for him. He had to do what he always does be a classless idiot, just like the 2 other places he was run out of. Good riddance..................... BTW, The question was, Was the Pete Kendall trade an unmitigated disaster. I think that is a preposterous theory............ We can agree to disagree.
Losing Kendall destroyed the Line. He provided stability to his Left and right which were both ROOKIES! Anyone who says no is just hatin' on Kendall and really has not watched any O-line play this year...
I don't mind losing Kendall. I do mind that Adrien Clarke is starting at LG. I don't even think he should make a practice squad he's that bad. He just doesn't have the speed or coordination to play in the nfl. On pass blocking he gets used and abused and on run blocking he's just akward.
Awesome argument..............you are correct I spend absolutely no time watching the line this year. Kendall was not that good. The FO screwed up by replacing him with Clark not by trading him. Trading his garbage ass did not hurt this team at all. What hurt this team was some of the worst QB play I have seen in my time as a Jet fan. No passes down field, constant dump offs, timely interceptions, allowing 8-9 guys in the box and the lack of good play calling as some of the mess is on Schott as well. I guarantee that if KC proves capable of getting the 8-9 out of the box this offensive line will magically improve. People are thinking I am saying this line is good. I am not saying that. The line is actually poor. Certainly in the bottom half of the league. That being said it was not any better last year with the vaunted Pete Kendall. The sole reason for that is basically Brick and Mangold. When they get 3 replacements and maybe save a couple for depth then this line will be good.
