Here's a thought that should scare the sh!t out of everyone on this board. Maybe what we saw against Baltimore was a fluke and Clemens just isn't good enough to take Chad's job despite Pennington's notoriously weak arm and sporadic play lately.... Could it be that bad and if so, could Tangina be covering up a 2nd round DP screw up by NOT playing Clemens???? Given this FO/CS well known paranoia towards the press, it's not out of the realm of possibility. Maybe they can't play Clemens because it would expose a new flaw in their decision making process. Yeah, it sounds Machiovellian but who's to say... Sad thing is, by not playing Clemens now when the season is lost, they're sacrificing the opportunity to go into the 2008 draft with real time, accurate information and with that, the ability to take a high DP and actually do something that would make an impact for once... Second question is... Given Tannenbaum's relationship and history with Mangini coupled with Woody's inexperience in the NFL World, can pressure even be brought on Mangini to turn this team around or will they simply "run out the clock" on their contracts and move on... Like I said. Scary.. Happy Holloween Guys and Gals!!! :wink:
I gave it some thought, but I can't believe that's true. First, if he's really not that good, Tui would be the backup. Second, if he's not that good, Tui would have started against Baltimore (we were still very much in the race then, remember?) Third, you don't make that large of an investment, in the draft and financially, without giving him a chance to pay off before he gets written off. Even if he doesn't look like the second coming of Peyton Manning in practice, nobody's dumb enough to turn him loose for some other team to snap up without giving him a chance (Well, nobody except the Falcons with Brett Favre, anyway.) And many more reasons, those are off the top of my head.
No offense, but Tui is a longer career version of any bust QB to ever walk through the doors of Hofstra. He sucks, and is only on this team as an absolute emergency policy, and probably won't survive next offseason. With that being said, if what Cman says is true and Clemens really isn't NFL material... well, only thing you can really say then is hello rebuilding, goodbye any shot at playoffs or Super Bowl in the next 6 years.
It's possible. It really amazes me how so mnay here think Clemens is going to be so great. Based on what? He'd be LUCKY to have the success Chad has had in the years he was healthy. I'm not saying Clemens won't be good. But that's just it. Nobody knows.
Nope. They'll just bench CP at the Bye week, like we've been saying all along. Chad's decent play in the Cinci game bought him another start.
I think it has more to do with Pennington's leadership more than Kellen's skill. This team has been Chad's for the last 5 years. Let's be honest, even if Kellen is a good QB, with our defense this year, were still not going to win that many games. I think Mangini is more afraid of completely losing the team if he benches the leader, Pennington, especially when it's blatantly apparent that he's not the largest reason that we are losing every week ( a la rex grossman). Me, personally, I think ya gotta throw the kid in their and see what you've got. It's a steep learning curve for any QB, and that wont be any different for clemens... so why not give him a run in a lost season...
i said it last week and ill say it again even though someone already said it in this thread. we very well may have a very high draft pick. there are a number of qbs coming out that have franchise qb potential (im not a draft guru but they look good from where im sitting) and if we DO NOT know what clemons can do then we dont know what to do with that high pick. if they do play him and play him for long enough then at least the cs/fo will know if they have a guy that can be a franchise type, fill in type or completely useless. not knowing that is a big problem in my eyes especially when there should be a pretty high rated qb sitting there when we draft.
I'm not saying Clemens is the next Marino, or even the Jets QB for the next 10 years...but it's pretty safe to say the guy has some above average natural talent and a good head on his shoulders. Thats pretty much all we know. Until he gets more game action...we wont kno if he has the "It" factor to be the longterm QB. His ability however...is completely obvious. He displayed that against Balty, Throughout 2 preseasons, and 2 training camps.
The coaching staff has no way of knowing if what we saw against Baltimore was a fluke or not... You can be the greatest player in the world in practice, and absolutely blow in games, and vice versa (see:McCareins, Justin)..... From what limited game action we've seen out of Clemens (preseason and Baltimore), he has shown enough potential to at least be given a chance to prove himself.... I don't care if he can't complete a single pass in practice, it only counts on Sundays
How long was it before Pennington got on the field? Why did he finally end up getting on the field? How did he do once he got on the field? Just some things to consider.
Amidst all this suckage we are just ready to see something new I think. The guys on D that people are hyping like Revis and Harris seem to just be doing their jobs status quo. The most recognizable "new" factor would certainly be at QB.
I am wondering about this bye week phenomenon. Is making QB transitions immediately after a bye week the modus operandi of all 32 NFL franchises? I'll answer that. No. Hypothetical- the Jets had their bye in Week 3 and are 0-6 right now here on 10/24. Everything in the six losses happened exactly the same way. Would Pennington still have his starting job? My point here is I don't get why the bye week is so very important for Clemens.
Pennington finally started a game in the Jets fifth game of his third year. This represents the longest it ever took for a 1st round draft pick to start at QB in the salary cap era, aside from Aaron Rodgers.
Perhaps it would be due to the additional week of preparation and evaluation afforded by the bye week. Not saying that I think this to be true, but it seems reasonable. Now obviously having a bye earlier (byes don't start until week 4:smile like week 4 would have posed more difficulty. On another note, in '02 some of the explanation for Chad's success was that he was new and Ds didn't know how to beat him. Could it be that Mangini is afraid to show his hand with Clemens at this point. Perhaps he wants to save him a little until next year when more pieces are in place and we would theoretically be more serious contenders?
I can see the conspiracy theory Cman50 raised as a possibility. If Clemens plays and turns out to be bad then the regime just looks completely incompetent at this point. The justification for avoiding a clean sweep of management at the end of the year becomes much less convincing if the hand-picked QB turns out to be a bust. I still think, based on what we saw against the Ravens, that Clemens has some mojo going for him but then again I thought the Jets were going to win 7 to 9 games this year so what do I know?
I doubt this is the case, considering they already gave him a start in Baltimore...if they had something to hide, he would never had played
Mangini may have really been concerned that the Ravens aggressive defense would take Chad out for the season. He may have started Clemens because he thought he had no choice. You can't start Tuiasosopo game 2 after a loss to the Pats because then you are literally conceding the game and possibly the season. I see nothing at all to suggest that Mangini has any confidence in Clemens at the moment.
considering how the defensive guru, mangina, has the defense looking worse than last year, i disagree with your theory. they just are as equally capable of screwing up both the defense and the offense. :sad:
