This is all true and is probably what is bothering me more than the lack of "arm strength." Add several other problems besides no arm-strength too: He seems to exhibit confusion at the slightest breakdown of the pocket. You can see it coming when the slightest pressure appears. Then, one of two things inevitably happens. He either takes the sack (instead of getting rid of it) or he barely gets the ball off on an extremely short dumpoff, which lately has been becoming less than his accuracy has been in the past, the 2-yard "pass" to Leon Washington on Sunday, to wit. This one particular pass, for example, should have been one of the most accurate passes of the entire day for Pennington and instead, he turns Washington into a human tackling dummy who, after having to be a contortionist to even catch the ball (way too high), he exposes his ribcage in the air to a linebacker who, had he been a split second sooner, would have cracked Leon's ribcage and sent him into IR for the rest of the season! It's all part of what I call Chad's "Chinese Firedrill Syndrome," something that is really far more serious than his lack of arm-strength. Anyone who admits that Chad has a weak arm but who is on the fence about his replacement needs to consider the other on-field "intangibles" that seem to have gotten progressively worse as his career has progressed, not better. In short, Chad exhibits all the body language of someone playing scared and with lessening confidence. He claims to be "pressing" too much, but his on-field actions actually reveals someone in panic and complete disarray. This, to me, is much more disconcerting than Chad's lack of a laser pass. I'm really surprised that the coaching staff hasn't seen it this way. I'm not NFL coach, but this is what I'm seeing with my own eyes, week after week.
I've asked myself that question many time, KS, and I hope it's not true. But let's reverse it. Let's watch the Bengals game on Sunday and look for the positives. I'm willing to try that again, seriously. Problem is, against the Bengals we don't have much to go by.
Excuse me, smartass but the stats don't lie...You Do. Passing for that many yards and TDs...Playing that many games(starting)....being in the league for now 21 years....I wouldn't consider that "not doing shit with his career". Just 'cause he hasn't won a Superbowl championship doesn't mean he hasn't had a good career. Heck, you're actually blaming Vinny for Tampa GAY being the laughingstock? They had NO RECEIVERS, NO RUNNING GAME, NO DEFENSE, NO NOTHING! And yet Tampa Gay fans like you were upset that Vinny struggled(nevermind that he couldn't play defense....nevermind that the coaching was Kotite-esque....nevermind that Tampa was an expansion-team/JOKE at the time) In fact, once he left that pathetic franchise of yours, he finally achieved some success in Cleveland which was actually a REAL NFL TEAM at the time with Kosar, Belichek and Company....so don't sit there and say that Vinny was the reason Tampa Gay was the laughingstock of the League; that franchise did a pretty good job of making itself a joke even after Vinny ESCAPED from there.
Dare I say it?? Vinnie is pretty much the Curtis Martin of QB's. At least where consistency and durability are concerned. I have a lot of respect for what Vinnie has done, but at the same time he's no John Elway, Joe Montana, or even a Dan Marino. I think being on a crappy Tampa team probably hurt him more than it helped, but even still he only really had one significant season to mention and he never led a team to a SB.
Are you on drugs, where the hell did you read I l like the Bucs? I hate FL teams, the Jags are ok, but the Bucs and Dolphins I can't stand. Your right stats don't lie, it's impressive he has played (hence the yards, TD's and all the Pics) as long as he has , but except for one good season, dude did nothing but lose. And since we are on a Jets message board where CP has to take it in the mouth, don't make excuses for Vinny in Tampa.
GOOD...not great. Chad is somewhere in between Mediocre and Good(when Healthy).....now he just plain sux.
I have to make "excuses"(as you call them) for Vinny in Tampa 'cause they were sooo bad, you could've put Dan Marino out there and he'd have the same problems and struggles. Then he'd be the one people would joke about and bash..... This isn't basketball....
You are making interpretations and drawing conclusions based on one observation (Chad wearing his helmet during the Ravens game) with no other supporting, pertinent information to prop up your otherwise unfounded assumption. As Kellen was working with a dramatically reduced playbook, did you not consider the possibility that the OC wanted to reduce potential confusion and keep Kellen's attention focused on a smaller number of guiding voices in terms of helping him to process all the relevant on the field information? If I were more like you and prone to come to conclusions in the absence of a larger body of evidence, I might say you were a functional illiterate who never reads the paper since there have been numerous articles in our local papers wherein Kellen Clemens has expressed both his tremendous gratitude and amazement at how patient, accessible and tireless a mentor that Chad has been to him. Kellen has said that Chad never fails to comprehensively answer in exhaustive detail every questions he asks him, even the stupidest, seemingly irrelevant ones. BUT, since I am not the type to blindly shoot from the hip in a knee'jerk style, I'll just assume you're another suffering Jets fan looking to find relief from your misery and frustration by firing complaints in random directions.
Vinnie had a few good years with Cleveland and Baltimore prior to his standout season in 1998. Vinnie's weakness was always his decision making under the pressure/abuse of a pass rush. His physical skills were comparable to Marino but the knock on Vinnie used to be that he would become rattled if subjected to too much pressure and contact which unfortunately has defined so much of his career in terms of the terrible teams/offensive lines he has played behind. To assail Vinnie for his performance while he played for the Bucs is unfair at best and completely idiotic at worst. TB provided no decent players around him whatsoever at either the skill positions or the O-line. Oh, and he was drafted to replace their previous bust whom they gave up on, Steve Young, whose stats as a Buc were just as bad if not worse.....
Chad has the second highest completion percentage in NFL history. He undeniably has shortcomings (arm strength, immobility) but with a really good offensive line and a good running game, Chad can be very good. I like Cotchery and Coles but we still need a burner and enough pass protection for Pennington to wind up his noodle and throw the ball down field. He can (still) put it up 40+ yards in the air but in the 4.6+ seconds it takes for our receivers to get deep (if they can even get some separation) Chad is facing the inevitable tsunami pass rush. I know the record does not reflect it but I think the team is showing signs of improvement.
Listen bro... I observed Chad's behavior the only time he was ever in the position of his job being in jeopardy in his entire career.... I've read the articles too, and even earlier in this thread acknowledged them and explained my opinion on them... Before you start insulting me, go back and read my posts..... I formulated a hypothesis based on an observation, the only observation we've had..... I compared two games.... KC in 2002, and Baltimore in 2007..... And stated my observations and what I thought of them... I'm not making stuff up, or looking for someone to blame, or anything.... I think Chad's a fiery competitor, a great leader and a great guy, but, as I've been saying, I think he's too competitive to continue to be a great leader if he is benched.... That's just my opinion, so cool your jets a little bit.....
Oh....Steve Young was there BEFORE VINNY?? Well....What does our resident "genius"(Rdriven3) have to say about that? If he thinks Vinny was a Joke and was the reason Tampa was a laughingstock, then I guess Steve Young was a Joke, too. But I guess in Driven's case, never let the 'FACTS' get in the way of one's own biased opinion... :shit:
