NYYankees Offseason Thread

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  1. typeOnegative13NY

    typeOnegative13NY Well-Known Member

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    I wouldnt mind Joe coming back. But could someone please have this guy get his team ready to come out of the gate? I am sick of the slow start and the "we dont have to try,were the yankees" attitude that seems to have killed this team the last 3 years when it counts. I just dont understand how this line up can play the way they did down the stretch,and then flatten out in a hurry vs cleveland. SOMEONE needs to light a fire,and thats the manager.
     
  2. BroadwayMike

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    The Daily News says the front-runner is LaRussa, which is news to me. They noted he would bring Dave Duncan (Shelley's dad) as pitching coach.

    Now this is me speculating - I think Torre would then return to St. Louis, and one one hand, I think several players would want to follow him there (like Mo Rivera) but then again they have a very, very cheap owner.

    On LaRussa - I think I would rank the candidates as Girardi - LaRussa - Mattingly.
     
  3. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    He did get gassed but that was an anomaly. In the minors this year he was still hitting 98-100 MPH in the 7th inning as a starter. He is definitely a starter.
     
  4. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    I think Torre will be back for 2 years max and not at 7.5 million a year either. Besides Girardi and Mattingly there is talk of LaRussa but he would die under the media spotlight in NY with his temperment.

    The real issue is starting pitching. Other then Pettitte who may not return we have nothing. Mussina should be gone but we owe him money. Wang despite how well he does in the regular season looks like a #3. Hughes has potential so we will see. I hope we go after Santana and it doesn't cost us anymore then Kennedy and Ohlendorf. If we don't Boston will. We have more to offer then they do.

    We should offer Abreu and Posada 3 year deals.

    I don't care if Rivera comes back or not but we have nothing to replace him with.

    The real problem is we owe Giambi, Mussina and Matsui 56 million for next year so we are hand tied once again. We should just trade Giambi and pay his salary just to get him off the roster. The other two can fill a role but it won't help next year at all. We are not going to win again until '09 at the earliest. Keeping 40 million on the bench as part time DHs just isn't going to work anymore then having 3 first basemen will.
     
    #24 Don, Oct 9, 2007
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  5. ollie

    ollie Right Wing NutJob

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    Even with two WS wins... La Russa doesn't impress me
     
  6. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    I am absolutely convinced after this series that the only reason good pitching wins over good hitting in the post season is because of all the days off. The timing is out of whack and by the time it comes back it's too late (at least for the Yankees it is).

    We faced every good pitcher in baseball during the regular season and beat them all at least once. Yet we are pathetic facing them in the playoffs.
     
  7. HCoftheNYJ

    HCoftheNYJ New Member

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    now that's realistic...
     
  8. JoeJet

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    Is that what happened to Boston, Cleveland and Colorado hitters also? Please stop with the sour grapes.
     
  9. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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  10. Tennessee Jet

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    Here is a listing of all the 2008 free agents. Some might have already been granted extensions during the season. I would like to see Cashman get creative rather than keep bringing back the same OLD players. The one area that the Yankees really need help with is pitching. The youth infusion should help the starting rotation but the middle relief definitely needs to get better. Jeremy Affeldt, Scott Linebrink, and Rudy Seanez are guys that should get some consideration. As for a veteran for the starting rotation, what about Livan Hernandez (he eats innings). Just some thoughts...

    2008 MLB Free Agents - First Base
    Player 2007 Team Contract Notes
    Sean Casey Detroit Tigers
    Tony Clark Arizona Diamondbacks
    Jeff Conine New York Mets
    Julio Franco Atlanta Braves
    Kevin Millar Baltimore Orioles Option
    Olmedo Saenz Los Angeles Dodgers
    Mark Sweeney Los Angeles Dodgers
    Mike Sweeney Kansas City Royals
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    2008 MLB Free Agents - Second Base
    Player 2007 Team Contract Notes
    Marlon Anderson Los Angeles Dodgers
    Craig Biggio Houston Astros
    Luis Castillo New York Mets
    Damion Easley New York Mets
    Mark Ellis Oakland Athletics Option
    Marcus Giles San Diego Padres Option
    Tony Graffanino Milwaukee Brewers
    Tadahito Iguchi Philadelphia Phillies FA if he does not sign an extension
    Jeff Kent Los Angeles Dodgers Option
    Mark Loretta Houston Astros
    Kaz Matsui Colorado Rockies FA if he does not sign an extension
    Luis Rivas Cleveland Indians
    Jose Valentin New York Mets
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    2008 MLB Free Agents - Short Stop
    Player 2007 Team Contract Notes
    David Eckstein St. Louis Cardinals
    Cesar Izturis Pittsburgh Pirats Option
    Ramon E Martinez Los Angeles Dodgers Option
    John McDonald Toronto Blue Jays
    Neifi Perez Detroit Tigers
    Juan Uribe Chicago White Sox Option
    Omar Vizquel San Francisco Giants
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    2008 MLB Free Agents - Third Base
    Player 2007 Team Contract Notes
    Russell Branyan San Diego Padres
    Corey Koskie Milwaukee Brewers Option
    Mike Lamb Houston Astros
    Mike Lowell Boston Red Sox
    Greg Norton Tampa Bay Devil Rays Option
    Abraham O. Nunez Philadelphia Phillies
    Alex Rodriguez New York Yankees Can void his contract after the season
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    2008 MLB Free Agents - Catcher
    Player 2007 Team Contract Notes
    Brad Ausmus Houston Astros
    Paul Bako Baltimore Orioles
    Michael Barrett San Diego Padres
    Gary Bennett St. Louis Cardinals Option
    Ramon Castro New York Mets
    Wiki Gonzalez Washington Nationals
    Jason Kendall Chicago Cubs
    Jason LaRue Kansas City Royals
    Paul Lo Duca New York Mets
    Damian Miller Milwaukee Brewers
    Chad Moeller Cincinnati Reds
    Jose Molina New York Yankees
    Josh Paul Tampa Bay Devil Rays
    Jorge Posada New York Yankees
    Ivan Rodriguez Detroit Tigers Option
    Yorvit Torrealba Colorado Rockies
    Javier Valentin Cincinnati Reds Option
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    2008 MLB Free Agents - Outfield
    Player 2007 Team Contract Notes
    Bobby Abreu New York Yankees Option
    Moises Alou New York Mets Option
    Barry Bonds San Francisco Giants
    Milton Bradley San Diego Padres
    Mike Cameron San Diego Padres
    Brady Clark San Diego Padres
    Jeff DaVanon Oakland Athletics
    Adam Dunn Cincinnati Reds Option
    Darin Erstad Chicago White Sox Option
    Luis Gonzalez Los Angeles Dodgers
    Shawn Green New York Mets Option
    Eric Hinske Boston Red Sox
    Torii Hunter Minnesota Twins
    Geoff Jenkins Milwaukee Brewers Option
    Andruw Jones Atlanta Braves
    Bobby Kielty Boston Red Sox
    Rob Mackowiak San Diego Padres Option
    Orlando Palmeiro Houston Astros
    Corey Patterson Baltimore Orioles
    Aaron Rowand Philadelphia Phillies
    Reggie Sanders Kansas City Royals
    Sammy Sosa Texas Rangers
    Brad Wilkerson Texas Rangers
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    2008 MLB Free Agents - Starting Pitchers
    Player 2007 Team Contract Notes
    Kris Benson Baltimore Orioles Option
    Paul Byrd Cleveland Indians Option
    Shawn Chacon Pittsburgh Pirates
    Roger Clemens New York Yankees
    Matt Clement Boston Red Sox
    Bartolo Colon Los Angeles Angels
    Scott Elarton Cleveland Indians
    Josh Fogg Colorado Rockies
    Casey Fossum Tampa Bay Devil Rays Option
    Freddy Garcia Philadelphia Phillies
    Livan Hernandez Arizona Diamondbacks
    Jason Jennings Houston Astros
    Brian Lawrence Colorado Rockies Option
    Jon Lieber Philadelphia Phillies
    Kyle Lohse Philadelphia Phillies
    Rodrigo Lopez Colorado Rockies
    Wade Miller Chicago Cubs
    Eric Milton Cincinnati Reds
    Odalis Perez Kansas City Royals Option
    Joel Pineiro St. Louis Cardinals Option
    Mark Prior Chicago Cubs
    Kenny Rogers Detroit Tigers
    Curt Schilling Boston Red Sox
    Carlos Silva Minnesota Twins
    Julian Tavarez Boston Red Sox Option
    John Thompson Kansas City Royals
    Brett Tomko Los Angeles Dodgers Option
    Kip Wells St. Louis Cardinals
    Randy Wolf Los Angeles Dodgers Option
    Jaret Wright Baltimore Orioles
    Victor Zambrano Pittsburgh Pirates
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    2008 MLB Free Agents - Relief Pitchers
    Player 2007 Team Contract Notes
    Jeremy Affeldt Colorado Rockies
    Armando Benitez Florida Marlins
    Hector Carrasco Los Angeles Angels Option
    Francisco Cordero Milwaukee Brewers
    Rheal Cormier Cincinnati Reds
    Vic Darensbourg Detroit Tigers
    Elmer Dessens Milwaukee Brewers
    Scott Eyre Chicago Cubs Option
    Trevor Hoffman San Diego Padres Option
    Jason Isringhausen St. Louis Cardinals Option
    Todd Jones Detroit Tigers
    Jorge Julio Colorado Rockies
    Joe Kennedy Oakland Athletics
    Byung-Hyun Kim Florida Marlins
    Scott Linebrink Milwaukee Brewers
    Ron Mahay Atlanta Braves
    Trever Miller Houston Astros
    Mike Myers Chicago White Sox Option
    Joe Nathan Minnesota Twins Option
    Chris Reitsma Seattle Mariners
    Mariano Rivera New York Yankees
    Rudy Seanez San Diego Padres
    Mike Timlin Boston Red Sox
    Mike Venafro Minnesota Twins
    Luis Vizcaino New York Yankees
    Bob Wickman Atlanta Braves
    Scott Williamson Baltimore Orioles
    Jay Witasick Tampa Bay Devil Rays
    Kerry Wood Chicago Cubs
     
  11. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    What sour grapes? It's a fact. You don't lead the league in every offensive category all year and then become a pushover in the off season for nothing.
     
  12. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Maybe not until after they negotiate with Arod. Don't forget, Torre's contract is up. He can sign with anybody he wants before then. It's not like he would be getting fired if we don't bring him back.
     
  13. EcKo151

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    It could have something to do with this team being lazy and lackadaisical.

    It's hard to fight for a comeback when most of your guys are just chillin' out on the bench rather than getting excited.

    Look at the difference between the two teams last night. The entire game, the Yankees were sitting on the bench while at-bat. The pitchers were all leaning back with their feet up.

    On the other hand, the Cleveland dugout was leaning over the dugout railing the entire game, while the pen was constantly active.

    Desire fuels talent. The Yankees lack desire.

    That's why the bats went cold.
     
  15. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    That may say something for Cashman's future too although I think for the first time in recent years he did a great job this year by not trading away our young pitchers for a quick fix.
     
  16. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    I agree and that falls on the manager and the captain (in name only) to some degree (I'm still not sure what a captain is suppose to do but since I have never seen Jeter do anything that may be all there is to the job). This so-called "professional" attitude grew old years ago. All the years they would win a playoff series and then not celebrate because it wasn't yet the WS use to make me sick. While I'm not as mad at Torre as I was a few days ago, somebody like Girardi may be just what the doctor ordered for this team. Not Mattingly because he is too much like Joe.
     
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  17. Tennessee Jet

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  18. typeOnegative13NY

    typeOnegative13NY Well-Known Member

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    typeOnegative13NY Well-Known Member

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    I think if they make a 2007 yankees video highlight,it should be titled "Oh my Goodness gracious"-the 2007 Yankees
     
  20. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    captain in name only for sure....I agree....Ive yet to see Jeter stand up and say "boy did i suck a dick in this series" did I miss it? Id better see it
     

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